[NewCandle] Microwave'd ham with electrolyte sauce

[Keith Nagel]

Thanks.

One of my first "weird science" projects was a browns
gas generator. I wanted to test his hypothesis that
the gas impoded rather than exploded. To make a long
story short, it explodes, then inplodes if the
container is strong enough to contain the exploding
shock.

That was also my first experience trying to measure
gas output. I had some troubles at first, until
I realized that the gas really had to be exactly
at room air pressure to make the measurement correctly
( I was collecting gas under water, so what I
mean by the above is that the gas level had to
be equal to the water line to get the pressure
the same ). Imagine my surprise when years
later Scott Little tried the same thing and
made the same mistake. I mention this because
had neither of us persisted we may have then
claimed "extra gas/not enough gas" which is
what a lot of backyard experimenters have claimed.

K.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 12:56 PM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Microwave'd ham with electrolyte sauce



> Let's hear about your plate experiments, Nick.
> >From my own experiments I can tell you that a
> practical electrolyser using very conductive
> electrolytes requires some kind of edge seal to
> isolate currents that want to flow around the
> middle plates entirely. Ham may not have that
> problem because he's using undoped ( very resistive
> ) water.

Worked on them as a formal project for work from about
August of 2003 to maybe end of 2004.  It was a minor
project headed by one of the sons of the company
founder.  Not really tied into solar in any way - just
under the same roof and business umbrella.  Mixed gas
electrolyzers intended to go into automotive or diesel
use for fuel augmentation. The project had been sort
of kicked off or initially proposed by some charlatans
from Pennsylania who talked a good enough line to
convince management to go forward with it.  A couple
of us were skeptical from the start, having heard all
the Browns Gas wars over the years...  In the end, the
laws of thermodynamics remained inviolate, and it was
determined  - and finally confessed by management -
that it really DID take more power to make the Hy-Oxy
than you gained in fuel savings of any sort.  So it
was all shelved.

Essentially, it was a long stack (maybe 26 inches) of
8 inch diameter circular stainless steel (316) plates
in a phenolic tube.  Edge seals were provided by PVC
or delrin rings  I think it ran on about 90V rectified
from a jumbo alternator.  Electrolyte was about 5M
KOH.  I think it was able to make about 10 slpm of
Hy-Oxy gas at some many kilowatts.  We tried a number
of designs.  I even spent time trying to look for
evidence of anomalous heat, deuterium, mystery "3rd
gas", temperature anomalies, all claimed by the PA
bunch.  Nada.  It was just an electrolyzer making
blended bubbles collected in a pressure tank to maybe
50PSI.  Good for quartz and glass working, but
otherwise just a bad taste in our mouths beyond that.

N



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