[NewCandle] Putting "jerk" to work

[Nick Reiter]

Ouchamagoucha!

Well, hullo there lads.  What a trip down memory lane!
 It was just last week I was rummaging through the
garage and I glimpsed the old multi-disc rotating VCG
all covered in cobwebs and mouse poo.

I'm trying to recall where I left off on that whole
thing.  My recollection was that Scott Little had
built a single disc or two sector unit, was all
excited at first, but then came to the conclusion that
what I had was essentially an AC Wimshurst machine
combined with an electrophorous, and a pretty
inefficient one at that.  I recall as well that I got
some inputs from Vorts and/or FreeNRG-ites (all
appreciated) who felt it was a ho-hum parametric
generator.  Couple all that with the fact that at best
I got enough power from it to light up an LED, and
thus was the basis for me moving on to other projects.

It's not as though I don't think of it often, though. 
I actually get more entertainment from pondering the
potentials that I got using just plain air variable
capacitors... no dielectrics (other than air), no
dissimilar metals to prime the charge pump, no
polymers.  I still maintain there is more to it than
meets the eye, but when things befuddle me, I set them
aside for a while until I can get a new perspective.

Back in the day, I had contacted a little company in
west Ohio that made air variables, to see if they
would quote me on making a really big "power
generator" version of the principle I was seeing. 
Something that would put out maybe 100V at one amp. 
It would take some masterful plate fab and precision
balancing for running at 1000 rpm... but it should
have worked, and would have been about the size of a
pony keg.  Never did get the quote, though... it was
beyond their capability.

Now maybe by applying some jerky principle ala Jones'
suggestion and vibrating the plates or making them
asymmetrical or something, you might get a real kick
in voltage.

Glad you like the big squishys!  I still have them! 
Those were courtesy of Sam Faile.  Somebody back in
the day suggested those might be a good candidate for
ocean wave powered generators.  Might have been Hal
Fox mentioned that.

bazooba

N

--- Keith Nagel <NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com> wrote:

> Hi Jones,
> 
> The short answer would be, yes you can use the
> higher order derivatives to strongly influence the 
> output.
> 
> Nick could modulate the input frequency to the
> rotor,
> to get the higher derivatives. If he would resonate
> the output side with an inductor rather than just
> driving internal losses he'd see the resulting
> effects more
> clearly. 
> 
> Are you familiar with field mills? What Nick is
> doing
> is measuring the ambient electric field.
> 
> The tuning fork you suggest would have to be broad
> and present a large surface area to ground. But
> sure you could do the same thing Nick is doing with
> the fork.
> 
> BTW Nick, the big squishy cap in photo A made me
> chuckle.
> It seems like an excellent variable capacitor, if
> you
> added a c-clamp to it.
> 
> K.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
> [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf
> Of Jones Beene
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 2:20 PM
> To: New energy for the new world.
> Cc: Nicholas Reiter
> Subject: [NewCandle] Putting "jerk" to work
> 
> 
> No. We're not talking about preparing the Jamaican
> Bobsled Team 
> for action ...
> 
> Instead it is an overlooked experiment - Re: Nick
> Reiter's 
> experiments with rotating capacitor generators:
> 
> http://www.theavalonfoundation.org/varicap2.htm
> 
> which raises an interesting question about the
> interaction of 
> kinetics with EM forces.
> 
> Nick found a significant voltage gradient,
> apparently caused by 
> the angular momentum of electrons released from
> capacitive disks, 
> at fairly high rotation speeds. He got almost 4
> volts at 10,000 
> RPM but you might say - that  was due to the high
> angular 
> momentum.
> 
> However, in the situation of  intense vibration -
> like a tuning 
> fork - where you have continuous reversal of vectors
> ("jerk" 
> instead of  acceleration) - what is possible there ?
> 
> If "jerk" - the higher order of  acceleration - is
> implemented 
> correctly:  is there a power-law increase in the
> mechanical --> 
> electrical effect?
> 
> Could a low voltage applied to a tuning fork result
> in a higher 
> voltage deposited on a surrounding anode when the
> fork is "rung"?
> 
> Jones
> 
> 
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