[NewCandle] crystallization weight change transients

[Keith Nagel]

Hey John,

Tricky stuff, given the tiny weight variations we're talking about.
Do you think Nick's sealing both the active tube and the hot null
would be sufficient to correct for the problem? I do worry that
the trapped air pockets would tend to heat more than the free
ones.

K.

-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of John Steck
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:17 PM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] crystallization weight change transients


Nick,
Estimate the possible trapped air volume (one way -> crystallize, apply
vacuum, de-crystallize, measure vacuum loss, repeat 30+ to get a decent
confidence interval) calculate the maximum buoyancy potential and
incorporate it as an error factor on the measured result.  If buoyancy
potential is not statistically significantly different than the
observed/measured effect, you fail to reject.  I suspect the volume will not
be of any significance however (but always a good idea to eliminate possible
variables whenever possible).

Just some thoughts.

-john


-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Keith Nagel
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:04 PM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] crystallization weight change transients


Hi Nick,

Yeah, I did have another thought this morning, but I'm
at a loss for how to address the problem it describes.
So I'll just present the problem.

As you pointed out in your insulated flask test, trapped
air bubbles when heated form little hot air ballons. I
worry that the same might be happening in the solid mass
of crystals, that is, without the ability to escape,
trapped air might heat and give rise to lift that won't
be present in the null.

I wonder if you drew a vacuum on a sealed flask before
"ignition" whether this would be enough? I really don't
know...

K.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:31 AM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] crystallization weight change transients


Red Devil speaks!

Thanks for the idea, Keith.  I am trying it now even
as I write.  So far, it looks like for rises of say
10C degrees over 2 to 10 minutes time, I could account
for maybe a milligram of weight change.  I'm taking it
further right now - I'll try to get a bead on say a 20
or 30 C rise.  This is as good a baseline technique as
any, for right now.  Anyone got any better?

What this is implying is not that the effect is
definitely real yet, I guess, but that the ante is now
upped and now comes the time to produce a better S/N
ratio.

N

--- Keith Nagel <NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com> wrote:

> OK, reading your post over, the thought just
> occurred
> that a better null might be the following.
>
> Take an identical flask to the active one, fill with
> the same volume of water, and add enough NaOH to
> get the same temp rise as the hyposulphite. It ought
> to be a pretty small amount, from my experience.
> That's about as close to the active condition as you
> can get, without the phase change. Save some money,
> and use ye olde Red Devil Lye.
>
> K.
>
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