[NewCandle] Fred's comment about battery mass.

[Keith Nagel]

Yeah, here's the thing.

I've talked with Fred about this idea in some depth (in
fact, he even seems to be blaming me for parts of it
now, paternity tests notwithstanding).

Basically what he's trying to achieve is an imbalance
of charge in the test body to react against the earths charge. 
As the earth is charged up negative and he wants to
fly rather than sink, he needs electrons. _However_
he does not want to pay for those electrons in
the ordinary fashion. That is to say, we can talk
about the capacity between the earth and the test
object, charge that capacity, and suffer the resulting
high voltage to achieve levitation. Fred is asserting
that you can avoid this problem by creating
a large internal charge imbalance in the test object,
then shielding the effects of the positive charge
due to some magic of electrode geometry/whatever.

I have an idea for a proof of concept circuit, but I
think I'll try Fred's circuit first with my .1g scale.
I'll post later this afternoon with some results.

K.


-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:33 AM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Fred's comment about battery mass.


Count me in also.  I can rig this up on Monday when I
am back at the lab.  One of my balances should be just
the ticket - I have a wonderful Denver that has a 3kg
load limit with a .01g resolution.

If all of this is being chalked up to the earth's
e-field (s) then shouldn't there be an enormous
attenuation if you are inside of a typical lab or
office building; or even house?  What location does
Fred do this experiment in?

N


--- Keith Nagel <NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com> wrote:

> More from Fred Sparber on battery weighing. I'm
> tempted to
> try it now that Fred has an experimental modality
> that can
> possibly show both positive and negative results
> depending on
> the configuration. I have a .1 gram scale I can use
> that's
> similar in construction to Freds.
> 
>
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> Stuff Needed: Acculab Digital Scale (10 Kg with +/-
> 1.0 gram resolution).
> 
> One 10 gram Aluminum Pie "Tin".
> 
> Two gram copper penny
> 
> Two gram Kleenex Tissue with salted water spot in
> center.
> 
> Weigh each individually
> 
> 1, Set Pie tin on scale 10.00 grams zero scale
> 
> 2, Place 2 gram Kleenex "electrolyte" on top . scale
> says 2 grams
> 
> 3,Lay 2 gram copper penny on scale over wet spot.
> scale reads 5. grams.  :-)
> 
> 4, Replace "electolyte" kleenex with dry one. scale
> reads 2 grams
> 
> 5, Add penny, scale reads 4 grams
> 
> Repeat step 3 with penny on wet spot and dry area.
> (5 grams and 4 grams)
>
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
> [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf
> Of Keith Nagel
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:50 PM
> To: New energy for the new world.
> Subject: [NewCandle] Fred's comment about battery
> mass.
> 
> 
> Fred asked me to post this short communication on
> battery mass. It
> struck me on reading it that if one could find a
> battery so constructed
> that the negative terminal is on the inside rather
> than the outside
> his idea might be fairly tested. A differential
> scale comparing
> the two battery masses would then cancel heat /
> outgassing / etc effects.
> 
> K.
> 
>
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> 
> NON CONFIDENTIAL: From Fred Sparber
> 
> The 322-323 gram plug-in rechargeable flashlight (4
> "AA" NiCd Batteries) starts
> out at 322 grams on a fresh charge sitting on the
> (well stabilized by
> long on time)10 kg (+'- 1.0 gram) Acculab digital
> scale. Turning it on
> causes the weight to change to 323 grams for a few
> minutes, then it
> reverts to 322 grams, but after a 45 minute
> discharge it reverts to
> 323 grams. This is repeatable and time consuming.
> 
> The "C" and "D" dry cells only show the slight
> temperature sensitive
> weight change only if they have been sitting for
> days or weeks.
> 
> My hypothesis that the Earth's MegaCoulomb negative
> charge in
> combinatio with the much greater upper
> atmosphere-stratospher-space
> positive charge and the resulting100 volt per meter
> near-earth "Fair
> Weather Field" (E) is applying a force F = E*Q on
> the putative zero
> net charge of the battery outer can still stands,
> along with the
> notion that the field wil act on
> sphere-within-sphere or
> cylinder-within cylinder bimetal materials where the
> outer material is
> depleted in conduction electrons donated to the
> lower work function
> inner material. ETC.
> 
> Too many possibilities for me to go it alone.
> 
> Fred
> 
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