[NewCandle] 1st test Keiths AntiLevitator

[Keith Nagel]

Hey Nick + Jones,

The teflon experiment was naive, done to get a sense
of what one would see with no preparation other
than a sufficiently large amount of uncompensated
negative charge to see a force. 

Nature abhors uncompensated charge. As you point
out below image charges will tend to arise on
nearby objects (such as the scale) and an
attractive force will result. In the long term,
small oppositely charged dust particles will
collect on the charged object until all the
internal charge is compensated. I could
see that process happen as the force decreased
over time to make the weight difference zero.
I made no effort to ground the pan, and I agree
we should but to what? (I can't really get outside
here, so the best I could do is a cold water pipe).

Fred has bought some thick discs of copper and aluminum,
I'm not sure how this helps but we'll see what he
comes up with.

Also, I wouldn't fret much over Oscar, he's a Brooklyn
street cat (black, and found at my doorstep on halloween)
and can both source and sink electrons with ease and
great aplomb. He's from Circumstances, don't ya know.

K.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:33 PM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] 1st test Keiths AntiLevitator


Hey guys,

Hmmm.  Jones' reply came through, but Keith's original
report here hasn't yet.  Maybe I'll gather a bit more
when it does.

How are you isolating the charged mass from attracting
to the body of the balance, or the table, etc?

This was one of the prime artifacts I used to run into
when I tried weighing things like spherical capacitors
or bowl capacitors or PZT doohickies, etc.

Thats why I also am keen on Fred's battery experiment
- the voltages are low.

One trick I used to use was to have my balance sitting
on a foil covered tabletop, and have a very thin
hair-wire run from the foil tablecloth to the balance
pan or object under test in some cases.

N


--- Jones Beene <jonesb9 at pacbell.net> wrote:

> OK like charges repel, and if the teflon is
> "pushing" against the "fair 
> weather field" above it...
> 
> ...(not the NYC ever has fair weather, or anything
> like that)...
> 
> ... then there is no actual weight gain, right? just
> charges repelling 
> until neutralized.
> 
> OK to disprove that one, you could position a fixed
> negative charge 
> directly above the scale, with enough of a gap to
> slide in the charged 
> teflon, in order to see if a high fixed charge
> accentuates the effect. 
> It probably will.
> 
> In order to give fluffy a break, you might check
> with PETA to see if 
> they can supply a seized fur coat for scientific
> R&D... ask for Siberian 
> Lynx....
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> 
> Keith Nagel wrote:
> > OK, I just now did another test.
> > 
> > I took a 116 gram piece of teflon plate, it's
> about 1/4" thick
> > and the size of a CD. I cleaned it with a damp
> paper towel,
> > and measured it's weight as 116g. I then charged
> the teflon
> > by rubbing it vigorously against the fur of my
> house cat, until
> > a point at which sparks discharged and the cat got
> > very cross and left.
> > 
> > Back on the scale, the teflon plate had _gained_
> .8 grams. The
> > gain slowly diminished over time as the charges
> were cancelled in
> > the teflon. The teflon is charged negative with
> respect to
> > the cat (whom is now sleeping on the carpet in my
> bedroom). It's
> > fair to say that those electrons on the teflon are
> the unbalanced
> > charges we are seeking. I'd like to weight the
> postive element
> > in this circuit but that's not practical (he has
> sharp teeth).
> > Suggestions?
> > 
> > K.
> > 
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