[NewCandle] Another observation for Fred.

[Keith Nagel]

Hi Fred,

I am not familiar with a NASA report, but I can hazard a
few guesses about what it may say.

We have a large, flat plane of great extent, charged to
a negative voltage. If we have a dipole above that plane,
there will be an attractive force on the positive pole
and a repulsive force on the negative. For a very short
dipole, those forces would be the same. As the length
of the dipole increases, the forces can vary, in the
extreme when the dipole is aligned normal to the charged plane. 
I agree that some kind of asymmetry is going to be needed to get this
idea "off the ground". 

I think my Teflon experiment relates to this because in
the end, an unbalanced dipole is going to (effectively )
look like uncompensated charge. And it disturbs me that
I cannot see a repulsion. What this suggests to me is
that even if we did achieve the equivalent uncompensated
charge in your battery circuit as we can get in the Teflon,
we still wouldn't see any repulsive force. If we're trying
to prove the idea works we have to be able to make the
measurement, and it's not happening for me, and I was
hoping we could come to some understanding why?

I did post a battery experiment as well, using Al and Cu foils
in the geometry you suggested, and got null results. I haven't
tried your rechargeable battery experiment. 

K.

-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Frederick Sparber
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:01 PM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Another observation for Fred.


Hi Keith.

Manipulating the ubiquitous atmospheric-earth charge/s isn't answering my
question regarding wether or not the earth's putative negative charge can exert a force 
on the zero net charge on a bimetal couple, or a battery or
a supercapacitor.

The contact of metal;A with metal B of a higher work function results
metat A becoming positively charged Qa and metal B equally negatively charged
to Qb.
Like isolated highly charged plate capacitors that require many kilovolts
to get comparable charge they are in effect electric dipoles.

I think it was a nasa report that said that isolated high-field electric dipoles
can interact with the ground??

Perhaps I should connect rigid wires to the aluminum foil, and pennies to
form a dipole "antenna"??

Fred


 
On 8/14/07, Keith Nagel <NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com> wrote: 
I put the scale on a 9V battery, and went into the
kitchen for the cold water pipe. I used a thin strip 
of aluminum foil to get from the metal pan to the
tabletop, and then from there a wire to the pipe.

Taking the Teflon slab in hand I grabbed the cat and powered
up. There was crackling, and the cat donated a few 
more of his infinite supply of electrons. He's
really good at this, so it seems.

With the pan grounded ( either to the table top or
cold water pipe, made no difference ) I measured no
weight difference between the Teflon charged or 
uncharged to .1 grams. The slab is 116 grams.

With the pan free to float electrically, I would
see a ~1 gram increase in weight due to charging.
Over time that would drop as the uncompensated charges
on the Teflon were slowly neutralized. 

My question to Fred is, why don't I see a repulsion
from the grounded pan?

K.







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