[NewCandle] Another observation for Fred.

[Frederick Sparber]

Hi Keith.

To me the bottom line is a Lighter Than Air (LTA) floater working off
Atmospheric and Earth Electricity.
Lars Wahlin's treatment of this as well as the work functions of
Magnesium, Zinc, Aluminum and Copper, Nickel and Steel he provides
gives fat for the fire on using spherical, tubular or saucer shaped
craft working off laminates of these materials possibly with a gossamer
thin dielectric layer, or a supercapacitor-battery design.
Since all of these need only a few atomic layers a few microfarads
per square meter capacitance at a volt or less will create microcoulombs
of outer surface charge (+/- depending on material) that can float in
the earth's fair weather field.

http://www.colutron.com/products/cosmos.html

Bon Voyage.   :-)

Fred

On 8/15/07, Keith Nagel <NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com> wrote:

> Hi Fred,
>
> I am not familiar with a NASA report, but I can hazard a
> few guesses about what it may say.
>
> We have a large, flat plane of great extent, charged to
> a negative voltage. If we have a dipole above that plane,
> there will be an attractive force on the positive pole
> and a repulsive force on the negative. For a very short
> dipole, those forces would be the same. As the length
> of the dipole increases, the forces can vary, in the
> extreme when the dipole is aligned normal to the charged plane.
> I agree that some kind of asymmetry is going to be needed to get this
> idea "off the ground".
>
> I think my Teflon experiment relates to this because in
> the end, an unbalanced dipole is going to (effectively )
> look like uncompensated charge. And it disturbs me that
> I cannot see a repulsion. What this suggests to me is
> that even if we did achieve the equivalent uncompensated
> charge in your battery circuit as we can get in the Teflon,
> we still wouldn't see any repulsive force. If we're trying
> to prove the idea works we have to be able to make the
> measurement, and it's not happening for me, and I was
> hoping we could come to some understanding why?
>
> I did post a battery experiment as well, using Al and Cu foils
> in the geometry you suggested, and got null results. I haven't
> tried your rechargeable battery experiment.
>
> K.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:
> newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Frederick Sparber
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 7:01 PM
> To: New energy for the new world.
> Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Another observation for Fred.
>
>
> Hi Keith.
>
> Manipulating the ubiquitous atmospheric-earth charge/s isn't answering my
> question regarding wether or not the earth's putative negative charge can
> exert a force
> on the zero net charge on a bimetal couple, or a battery or
> a supercapacitor.
>
> The contact of metal;A with metal B of a higher work function results
> metat A becoming positively charged Qa and metal B equally negatively
> charged
> to Qb.
> Like isolated highly charged plate capacitors that require many kilovolts
> to get comparable charge they are in effect electric dipoles.
>
> I think it was a nasa report that said that isolated high-field electric
> dipoles
> can interact with the ground??
>
> Perhaps I should connect rigid wires to the aluminum foil, and pennies to
> form a dipole "antenna"??
>
> Fred
>
>
>
> On 8/14/07, Keith Nagel <NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com> wrote:
> I put the scale on a 9V battery, and went into the
> kitchen for the cold water pipe. I used a thin strip
> of aluminum foil to get from the metal pan to the
> tabletop, and then from there a wire to the pipe.
>
> Taking the Teflon slab in hand I grabbed the cat and powered
> up. There was crackling, and the cat donated a few
> more of his infinite supply of electrons. He's
> really good at this, so it seems.
>
> With the pan grounded ( either to the table top or
> cold water pipe, made no difference ) I measured no
> weight difference between the Teflon charged or
> uncharged to .1 grams. The slab is 116 grams.
>
> With the pan free to float electrically, I would
> see a ~1 gram increase in weight due to charging.
> Over time that would drop as the uncompensated charges
> on the Teflon were slowly neutralized.
>
> My question to Fred is, why don't I see a repulsion
> from the grounded pan?
>
> K.
>
>
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