[NewCandle] SEC - Strategic Erg Command

[Jones Beene]

--- Greetings Nick 

> No, the spec sheet does not necessarily lie, but the
> key I think is to keep in mind that the voltage
> dropped across an LED changes with current! 

Yes, I do realize that this is true to an extent - and
this can account for some of the discrepancy, maybe
2-3X but we are dealing with a variance of 300X !

> The figures cited by the mfg are predicated and
based on operation at 20mA!  Of course, 20mA is
blindingly
bright.  But even at 1mA, the green LEDs are bright,

Whoa - are you saying 1 mA DC? I don't think so. At
least mine will not come close.

Try a single bulb with straight DC at 1mA. My LEDs
will not light up at all with DC current in that
range!

However, and in contrast to the DC situation, with the
equivalent of 1mA at RF they are very bright. That is
one key to this thing as I see it - the much higher
effectiveness of RF.

> I trust the small d'Arsonval meter in series with
> the LEDs... first of all, its a simple device that
is
> insensitive to RFI, and secondly, its on the output
> side of the AV plug.

Well, that could be one problem IMHO (not the
measurement but the interpretation of it) - what is
the input measurement on the primary side ? Can you
use a small battery and take the measurement from
that, instead of a DC power supply ?

BTW - the Thomas oscillator, as described in the
schematic, has no open (one wire) functionality.
Without at least one open wire, you will not get the
SEC effect, so it requires an alteration from that
schematic. Several alterations will work.
 
> So my premise for now is that the current people
think is going through their LEDs is greater than
actual. 

OK that could be true, but possibly it is NOT true for
the reason which you are thinking - at any rate, if
true then I would like to be able to show that
conclusively. I do not think it is accurate for the
reason you suggest, despite the fact that your
reading, taken in the loop, could be itself accurate-
but that the conclusion you are drawing is not
accurate. This sounds like double-talk so bear with
me.

I think you may be grossly missing the required input
power, based on the assumption that it supplies all
the power which is being used to produce light. 

How could that be? Simple, Watson, the LEDs are
themselves (the hypothesis which I am trying to either
prove or disprove) supplying most of their own power
when in RF mode ;-) and they cannot do this in DC
mode!

IOW measuring in the loop proves nothing under this
confusing hypothesis *unless* you are truely able to
light up one  of you LEDs with 1mA DC, as you suggest
is possible. This is the key to the differences we are
seeing.

If it is possible, then let me know where I can
purchase these LEDs as mine, and the difference they
show with DC as compared to RF - have given me a
totally warped understanding of the dynamics of this
circuit !

Jones