[NewCandle] other modes for LEDs...aha

[Nick Reiter]

Good morning,

Hmmm, well, maybe I was closer to right beforehand.

OK, if I look at this again, I am seeing that Dr.
Stiffler is using the AV plug, or dual AV plugs.  Is
it fair to say that at least for the LED lighting,
that AV plugs are a firm part of the concept?

The "second circuit" that you say has shown better
results looks a bit more involved, but is build-able
by me.  Not going to be before Christmas at this point
though, probably.

OK, here's a notion.  Why not find a commercial small
transmitter or RF source and see how the brightness
compares when you run the AV plug from it.  Back when
Sam and I messed with AV plugs, we found that fast Si
diodes for the "pickup" could rectify and provide
power from EM fields up to at least 200MHz or so.  So
what happens when you run LED banks using an AV plug,
held next to or attached to the antenna of a walkie
talkie or a baby monitor?  I think walkie talkies are
in the CB band, 27MHz, less than .5W usually.  Private
CB is still limited to 5W I think.

Comparing the power into the Thomas oscillator from
the power supply (in my one case 222mW) to the current
times voltage drop times number of devices in the AV
plug leg is what I did already.  Why would this not be
an appropriate measurement?

Lets go back to that for a sec.  You indicated that
the current you saw in the load leg was 20 mA?  What
meter did you use to measure that, and where was it
connected?  And which circuit was providing the
driving field at that time?

I also sense that there is some vague notion afoot
that a battery pack produces a different set of
results than running things off of a variable power
supply.  Is this valid, in your opinion?  More
importantly, is there any firm evidence from the
experimenters for it?  I'm not above considering that
in some cases DC is not necessarily DC, especially
where RF and ground planes are concerned, using simple
circuits.  But is that so in this case?

N

--- Jones Beene <jonesb9 at pacbell.net> wrote:

> Nick,
> 
> Here is my best recommendation for the purpose of
> demonstrating putative 
> overunity, COP near 2, especially if you have a
> MPSA06 handy.
> 
> Go to this page:
> http://www.drstiffler.com/drivers.asp
> 
> Second one down. This is an older circuit which has
> been replicated 
> several times IIRC, and even though it is not the
> best circuit for 
> maximum gain in lighting - it does have the distinct
> advantage of 
> showing more power, when measured in the secondary
> loop, than the P-in 
> from a DC source into the primary loop. This gain of
> ~2 does NOT include 
> the photon emission.
> 
> Do you have an issue of accuracy (meaningfulness) in
> comparing P-in from 
> a battery -- to the power which is actually measured
> in the load-legs, 
> to come up with that OU claim? My guess is that
> Keith will, but I want 
> to argue the case if so.
> 
> Otherwise, if you agree the comparison is meaningful
> but then find some 
> error in the measurement, we can take it from there,
> to sort out the 
> problem.
> 
> The second schematic is entitled "Stiffler Driver/
> Amplifier"
> 
> Since you already have two AV loops this should not
> be a problem.
> 
> In this circuit - what I have been referring to, in
> previous posts, as 
> the "open" wire is the unconnected end of the 9 turn
> primary. It just 
> sits there radiates, but it is a curious kind of RF
> since it is confined 
> to a spatial region (what he calls the SEC active
> zone of about a cubic 
> meter)
> 
> I have had better luck with a variation of this
> circuit that does not 
> need a variable inductor or the beads, which I hope
> to post soon.
> 
> Jones
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Nick Reiter wrote:
> > Hi again, Jones,
> > 
> > I do have to confess that I may have overlooked at
> > least one of the modes of LED lighting you were
> > talking about.  Apologies... I guess I am so used
> to
> > the "straight and narrow" when it comes to
> absorbing
> > engineering changes that I missed the semantic
> > differences.
> > 
> > I gather that some of what has been going on
> recently
> > then is with the LED string connected right to the
> > "secondary terminal" of the oscillator, without
> using
> > the AV plug?  Maybe this is what you meant by the
> open
> > wire mode.
> > 
> > So OK, I re-arranged things, and can get the bank
> of
> > green LEDs at least to light without the AV plug,
> > however, as one goes down the string of greens,
> they
> > do get much dimmer.  I see this mode as well in
> some
> > of the photos of the other fellows' work.
> > 
> > On the other hand, the luminosity is much less
> than
> > with the AV plug, and the dimming of the LEDs as
> you
> > go down the string suggests that nodes are coming
> into
> > play, as one would expect in a radiative circuit. 
> > That effect I played with 35 years ago, when my
> dad
> > would take me with him when he would visit one of
> his
> > radio repair buddies.  The old dude in question
> had a
> > 1/4 wave antenna in his basement for checking CB
> > mobile radios on the bench.  When he would key up,
> you
> > could light a 4 foot fluorescent bulb held in
> hand. 
> > CBs were typically 4 watts I think.  With a proper
> 1/4
> > wave antenna, the Vmax is at the tip... just like
> in a
> > Tesla Coil.  However, with Tesla Coils, you can
> run
> > them off of an RF generator at a low input
> voltage,
> > and light a fluorescent tube as you slowly move it
> up
> > the side of the secondary.  At different points,
> the
> > lamp will brighten and dim.
> > 
> > One could probably also model it as an RF
> dissipative
> > loss phenomenon.
> > 
> > So again, I am not seeing anything non-intuitive,
> I
> > guess, however I WILL take some time to work with
> this
> > mode, since I guess I overlooked it before, or
> didn't
> > understand which variation was being discussed at
> > which time.
> > 
> > Though a small TC builder, I am far from being one
> of
> > the TC grandmasters.  I wonder if there are any of
> the
> > true olde time Resonance Wizards looking into
> > Stifflers work?
> > 
> > N
> > 
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> > 
> > 
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