[NewCandle] other modes for LEDs...aha

[Keith Nagel]

Also, I should add that the D'Arsonval meter is an average
responding meter. So for transfer measurements to DC when
the signal is a complex waveform, there may be problems. 
OTOH, floating an RMS responding meter will yield the
combined AC and DC signals, which I don't think we want
as the AC can't be driving the LED.

If the circuit could stand the loading, a combined hall effect/transformer
style of current sensor would be best. Capacitive loading would
be small, and could be balanced with a pair of them, and the
result would be a true current replica waveform that you
could operate on to get the relevant stats. But these guys
are kinda pricey.

K.

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[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Jones Beene
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:13 AM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] other modes for LEDs...aha


Keith

> How is the current in the load legs being measured? Does he say elsewhere?
> Otherwise I don't have a problem with measuring power in the load
> legs; I rather wish it _were_ being measured.

He has tried a number of techniques to find one which does not quench 
the SEC effect. The simplest generated some criticism, and obviously 
varied greatly from what Nick did with another kind of circuit (Thomas), 
so I am not sure what the preferred method would be as of today, but 
will find out... but anyway, let me ask this - what would satisfy you 
for accuracy, while at the same time, being minimally parasitic or 
disruptive to the load loop?

In a way, I wish he had not posted the Thomas circuit, which does 
produce a lot of lighting effect, but lesser current - for whatever reason.

This brings up another point. In the AV load loop(s), with two signal 
diodes and 20-40 LEDs which are also diodes, one would expect DC- or 
perhaps DC with minimal ripple. But in fact, all indications (and the 
posted scope shots) are that there is something else -- which in my 
feeble attempt to make sense of it, is attributable to the RF 
interacting with a "halo" of stray capacitance which is in the active 
"zone" around the circuit. This would be the source of gain - if there 
is indeed a real gain. Some days I am convinced the gain is exotic like 
ZPE, others more mundane like CMB or whatever. There is apparently a 
minimal diurnal effect.

Doesn't this setup kinda sound like an ultra-efficient 3-D antenna, 
using a blob of stray capacitance to cohere some type of wave energy ?

... what kind of wave energy? You can rule out broadcast RF - since this 
SEC effect (according to everything which I can gather) has been seen in 
at least five different locations, one of which has near zero radio 
reception.

Jones

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