[NewCandle] Aluminum electrolysis bubbles after death

[Keith Nagel]

Yes, Fred Sparber has often commented on this to me.

It's been almost 2 decades, but I do seem to remember
plating manganese out of an aqueous solution. I probably
used a permanganate salt, and if I'm not mistaken the
results was a beautiful sort of broad faced crystalline metal.
I also remember it took quite a large current density.

> Magnetized water holds eight times more oxygen then unmagnetized water.

You've mentioned this in the past, about magnetized water.
Has anyone tried to replicate this result? Is there a good
ref for the original results?

K.


-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Jones Beene
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:08 AM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Aluminum electrolysis bubbles after death


Speaking of peroxides ...

Here is another suggestion, Beetle-juice notwithstanding.

Manganese oxide is a superb catalyst for accelerating the super-oxidation of water.
H2O + O3  --> 2H2O2

Counter-intuitively this might also be involved somehow in "bubbles after death" even if it had been unintended - in that peroxide,
one formed, needs no energy input to reform into either water and oxygen - or, if conditions are right (cold): slowly into free
hydrogen, oxygen and some water.

Manganese is a common mineral in well-water. Getting ozone into water initially is easy so long as the water is fully aerated.
Magnetized water holds eight times more oxygen then unmagnetized water.

Therefore you might try to run you same experiment with magnetized water which can be easily aerated by shaking - James Bond style
(not stirring). My bet is that you will get much more robust "bubbles after death."

Jones



Keith Nagel wrote:
Hey Nick,

I've finally release the 2007 version of IPD, so perhaps
I can carve a bit of time out now and discuss a little
of what midnight work I have been doing.

But first, clever thought to add magnesium oxide
supplement, you know our water is so badly contaminated
with chlorine I wouldn't dream of using it in any
kind of chemistry work. A bitches brew of stuff,
I don't even drink it now. Used to be the best city
water in America, but then again I used to be able
to buy electronics components from Radio Shack
so maybe I'm officially a cranky old man now
at the tender age of 39.

But I digress; US5089107 looks kind of interesting and
certainly workable. I would be a bit surprised if
you got more H2 out of this than expected though.
One is still just burning up the metal to make it.
OTOH, this has been claimed by others, and I have been privvy
to private work involving Al and LENR. Much like
my city water, you'd have quite a handful to work with
measuring heat, gas, and electricity as all are outputs.

Come to think of it, the earlier claims I was thinking
of were with sodium amalgams. Pretty sketchy
stuff from years back...

K.

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From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:07 PM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: [NewCandle] Aluminum electrolysis bubbles after death


Hello all, and belated happy Gnu Years...

You might recall that maybe 6 weeks ago, I had posted
some descriptions of an effect Sam Faile and I had
both seen with "bubbling after death" in an all
aluminum foil electrolysis cell in which distilled
water was run with a slight amount of spring water
mineral precipitate added.  At the time, Keith
suggested it may have been the magnesium in the spring
water precipitate that was plating out and reacting to
produce the on-going bubbling at the electrodes after
power was removed.

This now seems to be confirmed as such.  The spring
water precipitate (regardless of how it invoked shades
of Hudson's white powders!) was primarily a red
herring.  Sam has gotten some extremely vigorous
after-death bubbling for up to 48 hours by adding a
simple tablet of drugstore magnesium oxide supplement
to the distilled water of the reactor bath.  Same
darkening and embrittling of the foil electrodes, etc.

Now this in turn caused Sam to look again at USP#
5089107 by Pacheco.  That was an interesting Mg-Al
sacrificial electrolyzer rumored to produce unusually
large amounts of H2.  It also dredges up notions about
what might really activate the water in Joe Cells
too...

But for now, simply a long delayed update on a
peculiar observation...

Best,

Nick Reiter

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