[NewCandle] Physical Methods Of Water

[Jones Beene]

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From: Keith Nagel 

Cool patent. Is this perhaps related to Jones proprietary method
of H2O2 concentration...


Hmm.. no comment on that - don't need an infringement lawsuit <g>. 

However, as to your earlier comment that a "virtual electrode" i.e. an RF or AC irradiated nanocatalyst [which admittedly would be similar to AC on planar electrodes in operation] would be unlikely to inhibit recombination of nascent hydrogen with hydroxyl --- not so sure about that, at least not in an optimized case.

... lets not forget that time-delay and effective separation can inhibit recombination, and that H2 once formed is less explosive/reactive than are most hydrocarbons like gasoline. It's a pretty strong bond in H2. For instance, you can NOT get H2 alone to auto-ignite in a diesel engine at high compression unless you have a fully heated glow plug. I have seen this personally. But add even a little diesel, less than what will ignite alone, and the combination works great - synergistically better than either alone.

The point is that if you give H2 a chance (few picoseconds??) to form - it will not easily ignite or recombine in any cell.  What about an AC-equivalent cell designed designed to inhibit ?  I don't know. This is all based on a gut feeling that it can possibly work and probably has been done before.

With a nanocolloid you would possibly get both the necessary time delay and separation of reactants to a greater degree then you would with a planar electrode, even if that electrode had surface pitting such that the exposed area was the same. But here is the main reason for a positive feeling about the prospects of this technique.

We all have opinions about the ill-fated Puharich patents, starting in 1983 [4,394,230 etc] which was basically for AC electrolysis, and so-called "common manifold" gas, which is mixed H2 and O2 and which is potentially explosive, but can be used quickly before it recombines as is done with Brown's gas. I think (know) that A.P. was dead-wrong to suggest that the frequency he used was a "resonant frequency" for splitting water. It ain't so.  That part is BS but still - his cell did work to some surprising degree, depending on how far back you go as he went bonkers later on.

Puharich, despite ultimate commercial failure due to mental illness (and drug addiction it is rumored), was able to earlier demonstrate a strong anomaly in the amount of H2 which can be split, and Mark Goldes for one will vouch for seeing that - even if Puharich was never able to get a commercial unit running and went broke trying. A surprising number of doctors become drug addicts.

I find it interesting that Puharich who was an MD discovered this effect from the AC electrolysis of blood - 

Does that fit or not ? ... the iron hemoglobin of blood is, in effect, this very same kind of trasition metal nanocatalyst. The AC probably was able to activate the band gap in it. I have some of the original papers, and it is pretty clear that it is a very complicated story that should not be written off as Puharich being some kind of crank scammer. There was something of value there. Maybe his best H2 units actually used animal hemoglobin, or a substitute. He was known to do some strange things - and I'm not suggesting that stopping at meat packing houses on his infamous dross-country trip was one of them - but it would not surprise me at all !

Jones




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