[NewCandle] Measuring Half-Cell Charge

[Keith Nagel]

I also like the idea of an artificial voltage gradient to
do the testing. If you get marginal results, you can easily increase
the charge on the plates and see if the result scales accordingly.

I would suggest a stainless steel pipe rather than the copper float;
if you are using coarse carbon there is no need to pack it with
a ram, but you do need good electrical contact with the pipe
and copper oxide is poor in that regard. Some kind of
pressure on the carbon stack will greatly reduce the ohmic
resistance and improve the circuit also. It might be hard
to pack the copper float properly because of the shape.

K.



-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Frederick Sparber
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:26 AM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Measuring Half-Cell Charge


Sounds like a good idea to me, Keith.

I can change out the little-used activated carbon cartridge on my kitchen sink
high purity water tap and try it after I try it with distilled water.
A 1.0 meter dangle line should give a 2 second pendulum period for
the "bob" to settle down before switching on the voltage to the
deflection plates.
About 1.5 degree angle at one inch swing should be easy to see.

I can eke out 120 volts per meter with plates (supported aluminum foil) spaced
0.1 meter (~4.0 inches) using two 6 volt dry cell battery packs in series.
.
http://www.ajdesigner.com/phppendulum/simple_pendulum_equation_period.php


Fred

On 9/7/07, Keith Nagel <NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com> wrote:
>
>
> 'Morning Fred.
>
> Yeah, that half cell reaction is what makes it so hard to establish "ground" in an
> electrolyte. Were the electrolyte a true conductor you could establish ohmic
> contact and call that 0 volts. But in an electrolyte, you immediately get that
> double layer formed and so your external ground is .1 to 1 volts different
> depending on the metal, electrolyte, etc.
>
> Why not go the whole hog and fill the copper float with active carbon ( from your
> friendly neighborhood tropical fish store ) and salt water? That'd give you
> a real big ball 'o charge. Packed tightly, you'll have an ohmic connection
> from the carbon to the copper.
>
> In fact, if it doesn't work, can we call that particular test definitive? I can't
> think of a better one for your idea....
>
> K.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Frederick Sparber
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 3:58 AM
> To: newcandle at ipdiscover.com
> Subject: [NewCandle] Measuring Half-Cell Charge
>
>
> It seems to me that filling a $5.00 copper toilet bowl float
> with an aqueous electrolyte and suspending it as a plumb-bob
> between a pair of electrically charged plates will allow measurement
> of the double layer (interface) charge.
>
> I'm not sure about water-reactive aluminum that forms
> the aluminate ion, especiallyif you have enough aluminum mass
> to store up the exothermic heat to accelerate Nick's aluminum-water-electrolyte
> reaction.  ::-)
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_electrification
>
> Fred
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