From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Sat May 24 09:36:47 2008 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:36:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewCandle] experiments and observations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <701225.67330.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Greetings, all, Long overdue set of updates on a couple of never-quite-shelved projects, albeit ones that have fallen below the day job, domestica, and the spring planting in priority. When last I wrote on the topic of LED drivers and current anomalies, I had arrived at a set of "system parameters" that appeared to at least on occasion produce what I still have to refer to as a pseudo-OU condition. I recall that at the time, a couple of months back, there was some valued input from a few of you - Dr. Stiffler, Jones, and Keith as to different directions for ongoing work. I had intended at that time to build the improved circuit suggested by Dr. Stiffler, however I derailed myself and decided that I needed to understand the properties of the system better first. This, in turn, led me into a greater fascination not with maximizing the pseudo-OU condition, but rather what environmental or design influences on the basic circuit would seemingly cause operation to drift from a "lawful" domain (as in say 60 to 85% system efficiency) into modes where by the best of my metrology I was seeing greater than 100% - up to about 160% on one or two occasions. As I wrote before, it appeared as though the connection into odd operation was what was connected to the basic oscillator-secondary-diode rectifiers-LED circuit at two points... what I called antenna A and what I called antenna B. A is connected to the V+ of the oscillator, B is connected to the common end (cathode end) of the LED strings. It's been empirical, obviously, but the most consistent and frequent swings into anomalous mode have been with lengthy but low inductive value wire arrays from Sam Faile's collection at A, and a (treading way close to the end of the limb) layered old-school style Reich orgone accumulator connected to B. Yup, there, I said it. There's an ORAC in the circuit. 10 fold steel wool and vinyl tape wound on a 1 quart galvanized juice can. Don't say I didn't warn you that I had been going pretty playful and cosmic with this. So these past couple of months, the "system" with an ORAC connected to the LED strings and Sam's caduceus braid coil array connected to the V+ as an antenna, has sat in my library room, on a desk, and more recently, outdoors in my garage, on the attic steps. I would turn it on for a few minutes several times a day, as I could, and examine the real-time current readins through one of the four identical LED strings, and the current into the oscillator. These readings have continued to be best made as mV drops across 1.00 ohm resistive bridges into Fluke meters. As I mentioned, my focus turned to looking at and understanding how and why the ratio of power out to in would shift over long time periods. Was it humidity related? EM ambient in the house? Diurnal? "Other?" Temperature? Overall, I have to say it looks like a combination of the last three. There is a curious diurnal shift independent of temperature or weather, where generally, higher values of COP are read when the circuit is operated before noon, in the morning. There is also a tendency to show better or more anomalous readings at lower temperatures. Cold mornings. However, I also have observed over the course of multiple days, a slow build-up of anomaly that then will either "break" spontaneously, or if someone re-arranges some wire or connection, or changes out a component. COP1.2 will fall back immediately to COP.65 Call it a vortex or a charge condition, who can say. It seems to come with the ORAC country more than anything, if one follows and believes any of that lore. I can also say this: 1. The anomaly condition seems to be almost entirely a function of a change or rise in LED current without a corresponding change in the battery current into the oscillator. In other words, the weird happens on that side of the AV plug diodes. 2. The "build up" to an anomaly condition did on one occasion, when it was getting pretty high (COP 1.6), incite a freakout and attack reaction on the part of Mr. Hatfield, my one older male cat! Hattie pried the library door open, and leaped onto the LED array and began tearing the hell out of it. 3. Batteries are a key system component too. Running the circuit off of a set of alkaline D-cells seems to give more frequent and higher anomaly periods than AA, or conversely than a large 12V lead acid auto battery. 4. The system as I have been working with it these past few months goes definitely does not like an earth ground. It seems to need to be floating in an isolated way - no ground - to go into anomaly mode. 5. Possibly related, the system exhibits nothing but plain old lawful operation when the battery pack is replaced by a bench 12v or variable power supply. Is it the lack of batteries, or the fact that a virtual ground is being provided back through the mains. 6. The cycles of COP do not seem to have much to do with humidity. 7. In order to test whether they have to do with picking up of EM ambient, I have shut power off in the house, I have fired up a plasma globe near the circuit, and I have keyed up cell phones and walkie talkies near the circuit. No significant tweaks observed. My good chums, this has been a wondrous diversion and a delightfully weird pastime, though admittedly one with little more practical use than a tank of nice tropical fish or a hamster habitrail. Still, I keep it going, and Sam and I brainstorm new variables to introduce. On my other project - the Peltier module force effect - I've putzed along with that also and found some oddities. I noticed that among the Peltier modules I had tested, the smaller ones seemed to produce more of the force effect than larger. I was running out, and felt I needed to get a new supply, all of one size and manufacture so I could begin trying arrangements with multiple chips to see how I could get a greater additive force. So I ordered five 10W chips that sadly had only a so-so (maybe about a 1mg per amp) force effect level. Even so, I have tried up to four, in series, parallel, flat arrayed, stacked arrayed. A couple of very significant properties I can say that I have seen consistently enough to report among friends. 1. The force effect seems to be vaguely additive when the peltier chips are hooked in electrical parallel (with hot and cold directions conserved of course) 2. When in electrical series, the force tends to be very small and indeterminate - even less than one chip by itself. The impression is that some effect is getting scattered. 3. The force effect, at least with a single chip of usual construction, seems to vary linearly with applied current, as opposed to power disspated. I am looking at this now in terms of some possible transfer of momentum from electrons within the couples. If so, would it be a reactionless space-drive type force? Or is there some reaction force back at the power supply or battery!? Right now, I am building a perverted little experiment using a pair of copper tube loops and a Peltier chip of some modest beef (20W) to generate a Thompson Effect along the loops, with an additional applied current. This whole mess will be placed on the mg balance. We'll see if there is a Thompson Effect force! Probably won't ge to this to finish it for a couple of weeks. I'm off to Germany for 2 weeks, flying out next weekend. My turn came up to go over to our German solar PV factory near Leipzig and help the process engineers as they get the production line up and running again. So the Thompson Effect experiment will have to happen after I get back. Hoping all are having a bright early summer. Or mellow late fall, you guys down under! nr The Holy Grail 'neath ancient Roslin waits. The blade and chalice guarding o'er Her gates. Adorned in the masters' loving art, She lies; She rests at last beneath the starry skies. From jonesb9 at pacbell.net Sat May 24 11:59:13 2008 From: jonesb9 at pacbell.net (Jones Beene) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 08:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewCandle] experiments and observations In-Reply-To: <701225.67330.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <448176.57061.qm@web82706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> --- Nick Thanks for your update. FWIW: Almost everyone seems to agree that there are indeed strange things going on with this circuit; I was not planning to post anything until being able to present firm data. There is plenty of anecdote on Harti's site, but what is needed now, IMHO, is reproducible data pointing to an anomaly. This has not happened yet, but one comment in agreement with what you mentioned about batteries, which can lead one in a new direction; at least anyone who has a prior interest in dual electrolytes (Viswanath, et al from India) systems- going back to Grove... ... which BTW - I am surprised you have not pounced on more intently (like your cat), due to your fascination with electrochemistry; and all of those aluminum foil cells (which should make good collectors for whatever is "in" the SEC zone ;-) I have both of Ron's circuits which are available now from his website in addition to several others, one with far more LEDs, which can show greater anomaly in light, but it tends to fail too often. Anyway, Dr Stiffler should be congratulated for providing a robust demo which has a long life expectancy. Eventually someone will be able to provide good data on excess heat, if there is any. Aside from that: 1) There does seem to be differing effects with different batteries. I hate to echo the Bedini stuff, but yes, dead batteries will work, and can be revived. 2) There does seem to be an anomaly with water splitting, which varies with the electrolyte, and which needs to be documented. 3) Following the recently published results: RF splitting of salt-water by Kanzius/Roy, there are rumors of OU. All of which leads to this far out suggestion: yes there is a mundane partial explanation ("desulfation") for the Bedini effect, but is there more to it?... ... perhaps it would be based on an RF effect on certain elements? i.e. is the sulfur (chlorine, sodium, etc) somehow 'activated' by RF? 'activated' could mean: using RF and the Casimir force to reduce a molecule anti-entropically, as in 2(ZnO) --> 2Zn + O2. 3) If so, it could be possible to provide a dual output device which is something akin to a "Grove cell" which provides BOTH electrical power for the SEC (which must be stepped up) and also hydrogen. However, the problem is that zinc will be consumed at a rate which physics sez will be proportional to the output ... unless (which is the hope) the SEC somehow modifies that. SPECULATION: one possible effect of the SEC, which is hard to verbalize, is an unusual effect of RF on electrochemisty... but is it remotely possible that it is gainful? (i.e. reversible anti-entropic electrochemisty?) Vitriolically yours, Jones