From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Tue Dec 1 09:44:26 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 06:44:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] foil roll experiments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <442420.86438.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Keith, Horace, and all, Thanks for the feedback and next-stage ideas. I just got handed orders to go on the road for a week to the German facility for our company, so I'll hop back onto this project in a couple of weeks. I don't like starting experiments that bubble and fizz in my basement whilst I am away for a time... Will be back onto the topic then. N > Good job getting rid of the D20, > clearly we haven't > got the apparatus down to an "essential" experiment. > > Here's another suggestion. Get some powdered aluminum > and sprinkle a goodly amount into the active solution. > Start slow at first to check reaction rate. This > will produce a much more active displacement reaction > and eliminate most of the geometrical complexity > of the foil rolls. The smaller the aluminum particle, > the more active the resulting displacement. Stirring > also helps if things are slow. > > K. > > From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Mon Dec 14 15:00:27 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:00:27 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Another zero point propulsion paper Message-ID: Hi All, This just came across the desktop... http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.1031 A magneto-electric quantum wheel Authors: Alexander Feigel Abstract: Here we show that self-propulsion in quantum vacuum may be achieved by rotating or aggregating magneto-electric nano-particles. The back-action follows from changes in momentum of electro-magnetic zero-point fluctuations, generated in magneto-electric materials. This effect may provide new tools for investigation of the quantum nature of our world. It might also serve in the future as a "quantum wheel" to correct satellite orientation in space. From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Wed Dec 16 14:46:50 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:46:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] Another zero point propulsion paper In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <905467.76209.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thanks for this Keith, The author loses me though, in the two diagrams of orientation of vectors of particles versus resultant force. Which way does the aggregate tend to move? And if one uses wires instead of point source particles, how are they oriented? Anyone have any primers on the particular material class the author is referring to? I have to wonder if this might relate in some fashion to Woodward's "Flux Capacitor" (The motionless version of his drive). Which I haven't seen any updates on for a very long time. n > This just came across the desktop... > > http://arxiv.org/abs/0912.1031 > > A magneto-electric quantum wheel > Authors: Alexander Feigel > Abstract: Here we show that self-propulsion in quantum > vacuum may be From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Wed Dec 16 16:51:37 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:51:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] influence of aluminum geometry on Geiger counter rates Message-ID: <753280.76549.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi all, Been a while since I had been able to finish off some "effect-screening" tests I wanted to do, one of which was suggested by Keith a few weeks ago. All of course in regards to the phenomenon of the jump in Geiger counter readings when a solution of uranyl acetate in water wicks into the inter-turn spaces of an aluminum foil roll... There essentially were four tests I made to check the influence of geometry on the effect. In the first, I replicated the observation made on two occasions previously, with the foil roll, added to a column of .1M uranyl acetate in H2O. The set up was simple, Geiger counter head strapped to a plastic 500ml graduated cylinder. Baseline readings were made with water, then with uranyl acetate solution. Then we poured the solution back out, inserted a 75 foot roll of Al foil, and poured 250ml of solution back in, enough to cover the roll top. (no D2O added) The jump upward in count rate was noticed within 3 to 5 minutes. This was reported here about 3 weeks ago. I then tried three other geometries of Al introduced into the column of 250ml of solution. 1. A 1.25" x 8" round solid bar of aluminum, inserted into the liquid. A slight drop in counter reading (about 40%) was noted immediately, and did not change until the bar was removed. We might be safe to presume that this drop in count was due to thinning of the annular volume of emitting solution, and shielding by the solid Al mass. 2. Next, a duplicate of the original foil roll was modified by sealing the inside seam and the outside seam with plastic tape, and sealing both ends of the roll with silicone rubber. Thus we produce an aluminum foil cylinder, with all internal turns and voids, however it is sealed against any immediate ingress of solution into the turns. When this piece was inserted, a slight drop in count rate - similar to test 1 - was observed immediately. 3. Finally, a test suggested by Keith. About 50ml of 3 to 5 micron diameter spherical Al powder was added to the uranyl acetate column while the Geiger counter was operating. The powder made a grey dispersion, though no immediate hydrolysis reaction or bubbling was noted. I periodically swirled the dispersion a bit and kept it afloat for 5 minutes. From a starting count rate of 250cpm average, there was no discernible change. Thus these three geometric tests to me seem to support the general idea that the act of infiltration of the uranyl acetate solution into foil roll inter-turn cavities is related to a rise in count rate noted by a Geiger Mueller counter nearby. Of course, one then asks "why". Maybe some kindly seasonal avatar will gimme that epiphany for Christmas! Best regards and seasonal cheer to all. nr From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Wed Dec 16 22:36:09 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:36:09 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] influence of aluminum geometry on Geiger counter rates In-Reply-To: <753280.76549.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Nick, Thanks for following up on this. Your test results are very intriguing. It's unfortunate you could not get any displacement from your Al powder. Besides, perhaps the U is being incorporated into the Al oxide layer. Can you try testing both reduction and oxidation? You could set up an electrolysis cell with aluminum rods as anode and cathode. Trying a wide range of voltage, do you notice a change in count at either one of the rods? I seem to remember we did a lot of this stuff a few years ago, when we were experimenting with anode glow. Just not doped with U. K. -----Original Message----- From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:52 PM To: New energy for the new world. Subject: [NewCandle] influence of aluminum geometry on Geiger counter rates Hi all, Been a while since I had been able to finish off some "effect-screening" tests I wanted to do, one of which was suggested by Keith a few weeks ago. All of course in regards to the phenomenon of the jump in Geiger counter readings when a solution of uranyl acetate in water wicks into the inter-turn spaces of an aluminum foil roll... There essentially were four tests I made to check the influence of geometry on the effect. In the first, I replicated the observation made on two occasions previously, with the foil roll, added to a column of .1M uranyl acetate in H2O. The set up was simple, Geiger counter head strapped to a plastic 500ml graduated cylinder. Baseline readings were made with water, then with uranyl acetate solution. Then we poured the solution back out, inserted a 75 foot roll of Al foil, and poured 250ml of solution back in, enough to cover the roll top. (no D2O added) The jump upward in count rate was noticed within 3 to 5 minutes. This was reported here about 3 weeks ago. I then tried three other geometries of Al introduced into the column of 250ml of solution. 1. A 1.25" x 8" round solid bar of aluminum, inserted into the liquid. A slight drop in counter reading (about 40%) was noted immediately, and did not change until the bar was removed. We might be safe to presume that this drop in count was due to thinning of the annular volume of emitting solution, and shielding by the solid Al mass. 2. Next, a duplicate of the original foil roll was modified by sealing the inside seam and the outside seam with plastic tape, and sealing both ends of the roll with silicone rubber. Thus we produce an aluminum foil cylinder, with all internal turns and voids, however it is sealed against any immediate ingress of solution into the turns. When this piece was inserted, a slight drop in count rate - similar to test 1 - was observed immediately. 3. Finally, a test suggested by Keith. About 50ml of 3 to 5 micron diameter spherical Al powder was added to the uranyl acetate column while the Geiger counter was operating. The powder made a grey dispersion, though no immediate hydrolysis reaction or bubbling was noted. I periodically swirled the dispersion a bit and kept it afloat for 5 minutes. From a starting count rate of 250cpm average, there was no discernible change. Thus these three geometric tests to me seem to support the general idea that the act of infiltration of the uranyl acetate solution into foil roll inter-turn cavities is related to a rise in count rate noted by a Geiger Mueller counter nearby. Of course, one then asks "why". Maybe some kindly seasonal avatar will gimme that epiphany for Christmas! Best regards and seasonal cheer to all. nr _______________________________________________ NewCandle mailing list NewCandle at ipdiscover.com http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From hheffner at mtaonline.net Sat Dec 19 20:07:07 2009 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:07:07 -0900 Subject: [NewCandle] influence of aluminum geometry on Geiger counter rates In-Reply-To: <753280.76549.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <753280.76549.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick, Your experiments have produced such novel results! One hypothesis might be there is some form of unusual critical mass effect involved. This might be checked out by using a very large roll. This would involve wrapping a lot more foil around a single core roll. My strange matter paper at: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ which is no longer in draft state, might provide some hints as to how such a critical mass might form, i.e. through accumulation of strange matter from cosmic rays. The neutron activation initiated radiation merely causes the accumulated (in the water and/or aluminum) strange matter to "burn up" over a period of a couple days. A wild hypothesis admittedly. Another reasonable thing to do might be to wrap a capacitor like role using a two sheets of foil separated by a couple of fabric electrode separators (one on each, like a two cake jelly roll). Then use AC to condition the foil up to a fairly high voltage (i.e. blue-green glow range). The objective would be to see if a high electrolysis potential can sustain strange matter creation and thus avoid the drop in counts over a few days. Happy Holidays! Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ On Dec 16, 2009, at 12:51 PM, Nick Reiter wrote: > Hi all, > > Been a while since I had been able to finish off some "effect- > screening" tests I wanted to do, one of which was suggested by > Keith a few weeks ago. All of course in regards to the phenomenon > of the jump in Geiger counter readings when a solution of uranyl > acetate in water wicks into the inter-turn spaces of an aluminum > foil roll... > > There essentially were four tests I made to check the influence of > geometry on the effect. > > In the first, I replicated the observation made on two occasions > previously, with the foil roll, added to a column of .1M uranyl > acetate in H2O. The set up was simple, Geiger counter head > strapped to a plastic 500ml graduated cylinder. Baseline readings > were made with water, then with uranyl acetate solution. Then we > poured the solution back out, inserted a 75 foot roll of Al foil, > and poured 250ml of solution back in, enough to cover the roll top. > (no D2O added) > > The jump upward in count rate was noticed within 3 to 5 minutes. > This was reported here about 3 weeks ago. > > I then tried three other geometries of Al introduced into the > column of 250ml of solution. > > 1. A 1.25" x 8" round solid bar of aluminum, inserted into the > liquid. A slight drop in counter reading (about 40%) was noted > immediately, and did not change until the bar was removed. We > might be safe to presume that this drop in count was due to > thinning of the annular volume of emitting solution, and shielding > by the solid Al mass. > > 2. Next, a duplicate of the original foil roll was modified by > sealing the inside seam and the outside seam with plastic tape, and > sealing both ends of the roll with silicone rubber. Thus we > produce an aluminum foil cylinder, with all internal turns and > voids, however it is sealed against any immediate ingress of > solution into the turns. When this piece was inserted, a slight > drop in count rate - similar to test 1 - was observed immediately. > > 3. Finally, a test suggested by Keith. About 50ml of 3 to 5 > micron diameter spherical Al powder was added to the uranyl acetate > column while the Geiger counter was operating. The powder made a > grey dispersion, though no immediate hydrolysis reaction or > bubbling was noted. I periodically swirled the dispersion a bit > and kept it afloat for 5 minutes. From a starting count rate of > 250cpm average, there was no discernible change. > > Thus these three geometric tests to me seem to support the general > idea that the act of infiltration of the uranyl acetate solution > into foil roll inter-turn cavities is related to a rise in count > rate noted by a Geiger Mueller counter nearby. > > Of course, one then asks "why". > > Maybe some kindly seasonal avatar will gimme that epiphany for > Christmas! > > Best regards and seasonal cheer to all. > > nr