From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Tue Feb 3 21:15:44 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 18:15:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] Invasion of the Nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: <49838AF2.6080301@fdscience.org> Message-ID: <149940.89683.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Gather around the quantum campfire, kids, this is a strange tale. As always, I look to the august minds out there to tell me that "whew -yeah, Hans Blinx discovered that in 1923" Or not. Keith, I just sent a file of photos to you via my home e-mail, to back up this story. Let me know if they did not come through. Alright, for those vaguely following my on-going aluminum hydrolysis experiments, this latest weird was an outcome of the most recent recipe for salt water hydrolysis. Pixie 10 is the bucket designation. Standard commercial tight wound Al foil roll sections, 600squ.ft. total, in polypropylene buckets, with four liters of distilled water, and 4 tablespoons of a halide salt. This most recent Pixie was fueled with potassium iodide, KI; ACS grade, about 100 grams by weight. Within about 6 hours of starting the bucket this last Friday night, I noticed two things happening of interest, one of which is pretty typical - the "oily" phase. This is an effect I have seen with pretty much all of the hydrolyis experiments, where a thin but discernible "slick" of an oily nature appears on the water surface. I have attributed this in the past to a thin food grade oil residue on the foil surface that leaches out. It soon disappears as the bubbling of hydrolysis typically starts. However, in the case of this latest, the slight oily slick was also accompanied by the appearance of an objective greenish hue to the solution. This is not usual - with none of the other salt variants, NaCl, LiCl, KCl, KBr, MgSO4 did a color change of an obvious sort appear in the solution before or during the hydrolysis. By about T+24 hours, steady fine streams of H2 bubbles were forming, and I saw the pea green hue of the solution began to diminish. I thought it might be valuable to sample a piece of the outer turn of one of the foil rolls before the green phase went away entirely. The foil rolls were beginning to take on a slight smoky colored burnish also. So I snipped a piece of foil, and kept it in a baggie until yesterday, when I was back to the lab. In the meantime, the hydrolysis rate of the bucket has really taken off - more aggressive than KCl or KBr, right up with NaCl. The surprise came then when I put a snip of the "green phase" foil in the SEM. At low mag, I could see what looked like flecks or islands of oxide on the surface. No big deal. However at about 200x... well, I had squid. The surface of the foil appears to be strewn with dendritic forms that look like beer soaked daddy longlegs, or, well, really sick squid. They are not the crisp fractal dendritic beauty of silver-life... these are rather nauseating in form, honestly. The largest of these squid forms seems to be about 200 microns long. They are mostly leg, little body. See the pics, when Keith can get em posted. Now the mystery deepens then when I began to look at these with EDS. I suspected they would be a truly weird form of Al2O3. Wrongo. They seem to be made of aluminum, carbon, oxygen, potassium, and iodine. The carbon is the wild card. I could only think of three sources for carbon... the plastic of the bucket, the possible slight machine oil residue on the foil, or "exotic other". The composition of squiddies is surprisingly homogeneous, though the legs seem to be a bit more Al rich. BTW, a shot of the background foil shows Al of an almost pristine sort. Very little else. Not even oxidized to a noticeable degree. I really don't know what the hell these are. I don't know as they have any use. But dang, I gotta try to grow some more of these, even as disgusting as they are in appearance. I had more than a couple of Matrix milliseconds there. Organo-aluminum iodine eating potassium metabolized layabout nano-life? Somebody lose track of their utility fog? Ideas? Comments? Later, squiddies. n The Holy Grail 'neath ancient Roslin waits. The blade and chalice guarding o'er Her gates. Adorned in the masters' loving art, She lies; She rests at last beneath the starry skies. From hheffner at mtaonline.net Wed Feb 4 15:13:12 2009 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:13:12 -0900 Subject: [NewCandle] Relaxation oscillator for LED laser driver Message-ID: <6638A52E-C7A0-4F7A-B0EA-A2709C498502@mtaonline.net> The following JAMECO Puzzler may even be of interest with regard to circuits for driving ordinary arrays of LEDs. http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/PressRoom/puzzler1.html? emc=el&m=303214&l=2&v=d3c016d756 http://tinyurl.com/bvep5e The solution is here. http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/PressRoom/Puzzler1correct.html http://tinyurl.com/cbyz6k It might be interesting to compare light output of a relaxation oscillator vs an LC resonant driver circuit for an array of ordinary LEDs. This would tell if some benefit is obtained from the "free" sloshing current obtained via LC resonance, since light output is a function of current and not I*V. Fig. 1 is a circuit that might be of interest for examining a "current sloshing" effect. ----P1--- | | | | ---ooo--- === T1 ---ooo------------- | | | D1 | D2 | ---|<|--o--|<|-- C1 | | | A1 A2 | | | | --------o------- | | ------------------- Fig.1 A1 and A2 are LED arrays. Don't need D1 and D2 because LEDs are diodes, unless better protection is required for reverse EMF. Power supply P1 might be a relaxation oscillator based pulse source or an inductive feedback flyback oscillator using a sense coil on T1. All just food for thought. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From drstiffler at embarqmail.com Wed Feb 4 15:40:03 2009 From: drstiffler at embarqmail.com (Dr Stiffler) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:40:03 -0600 Subject: [NewCandle] Relaxation oscillator for LED laser driver In-Reply-To: <6638A52E-C7A0-4F7A-B0EA-A2709C498502@mtaonline.net> References: <6638A52E-C7A0-4F7A-B0EA-A2709C498502@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <4989FD23.7040204@embarqmail.com> Horace Heffner wrote: > The following JAMECO Puzzler may even be of interest with regard to > circuits for driving ordinary arrays of LEDs. > > http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/PressRoom/puzzler1.html?emc=el&m=303214&l=2&v=d3c016d756 > > > http://tinyurl.com/bvep5e > > The solution is here. > > http://www.jameco.com/Jameco/PressRoom/Puzzler1correct.html > > http://tinyurl.com/cbyz6k > > It might be interesting to compare light output of a relaxation > oscillator vs an LC resonant driver circuit for an array of ordinary > LEDs. This would tell if some benefit is obtained from the "free" > sloshing current obtained via LC resonance, since light output is a > function of current and not I*V. > > Fig. 1 is a circuit that might be of interest for examining a "current > sloshing" effect. > > ----P1--- > | | > | | > ---ooo--- > === T1 > ---ooo------------- > | | > | D1 | D2 > | ---|<|--o--|<|-- > C1 | | > | A1 A2 > | | | > | --------o------- > | | > ------------------- > > Fig.1 > > A1 and A2 are LED arrays. Don't need D1 and D2 because LEDs are > diodes, unless better protection is required for reverse EMF. Power > supply P1 might be a relaxation oscillator based pulse source or an > inductive feedback flyback oscillator using a sense coil on T1. > > All just food for thought. > > Best regards, > > Horace Heffner > http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com > Why not just disconnect C1 and leave this connection open, but you will indeed need D1 & D2. Works well with 80 super white LED's. D1 and D2 can be Vishay 1N4148's which are indeed rated at 500mA forward peak and 300mA If. These are the diodes you felt did not exist or at least questioned my specs; in a comment on vortexx. I know of over 100 people that have driven at least 50 SW's this way. Why close the old loop. Buy the way JameCo sells the Vishay 1N4148 and they take CE well over 350 volts. 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D1 and D2 might not be needed in the configuration shown depending on the values of L1 and C1. Also, the fact the current path through an array has low resistance takes the reverse voltage load off the opposed array. > > D1 and D2 can be Vishay 1N4148's which are indeed rated at 500mA > forward peak and 300mA If. I don't see the significance of those specific values. I proposed no specific values. > These are the diodes you felt did not exist or at least questioned > my specs; in a comment on vortexx. I don't recall this at all. Do you have a reference? This doesn't sound like me. I doubt that I would question the existence of some kind of diode. In fact, I think I have a supply of 1N4148's on hand somewhere, or something similar with a 1000 PIV rating. > I know of over 100 people that have driven at least 50 SW's this > way. Why close the old loop. To measure the source of apparent brightness effects. Also, it would eliminate energy loss due to capacitive linkage to the environment and thus heating of the environment. > > Buy the way JameCo sells the Vishay 1N4148 and they take CE well > over 350 volts. Strange little guys. > > > -- > ********************************************************************** > ** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > This e-mail and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged > or otherwise protected from disclosure. It is solely intended for the > person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, then > reading, use, disclosure, copying or distribution of all or parts of > this e-mail or associated attachments is strictly prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately > by replying to this message and delete this e-mail and any attachments > permanently from your system. > > NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT > All parties under a non-disclosure agreement with Dr. Ronald Stiffler > and/or Stiffler Scientific are hereby notified that the contents in > this e-mail and any attachments hereto are covered under one or more > non-disclosure agreements and restrictions as set forth therein. > ********************************************************************** > ** > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com Please be advised that the content of any correspondence to me, Horace Heffner, is placed into public domain unless otherwise specified by prior written agreement. I can be contacted at: hheffner at mtaonline.net. However, by sending unsolicited information to this address, the sender agrees to place it in public domian and to make it available for immediate posting to public news forums. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Thu Feb 5 13:39:48 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:39:48 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Invasion of the Nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: <149940.89683.qm@web65403.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Nick et al, Here's a link to the pics of the organo-metallic squids. http://www.kpnconsulting.com/newcandle/download/nick5.htm I think you're cheating; if you start in with the carbon and the nitrogen then you're end up just making the ordinary form of life and we all know about that (grin). But seriously, that's pretty remarkable. I'll hazard a guess and suggest that the aluminum/iodine/carbon/potassium compound plates out at a voltage close to the hydrogen. During growth I would imagine those legs sticking out into the electrolyte, waving in the flow as deposition occurs. You can see "baby squids" in the background that have yet to fully grow out. As far as prior art, I am not sure, but what you have is a nice nanowire that may in fact have some industrial uses. You might check that literature just to see what's been accomplished with other materials. Those wires look long and flexible, and clearly they're conductive enough to allow for further growth at the tip. Thanks for sharing the results! Can you grow and separate the wires sufficient to form a tangible pile of the stuff? K. -----Original Message----- From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 6:16 PM To: New energy for the new world. Subject: [NewCandle] Invasion of the Nanosquiddies Gather around the quantum campfire, kids, this is a strange tale. As always, I look to the august minds out there to tell me that "whew -yeah, Hans Blinx discovered that in 1923" Or not. Keith, I just sent a file of photos to you via my home e-mail, to back up this story. Let me know if they did not come through. Alright, for those vaguely following my on-going aluminum hydrolysis experiments, this latest weird was an outcome of the most recent recipe for salt water hydrolysis. Pixie 10 is the bucket designation. Standard commercial tight wound Al foil roll sections, 600squ.ft. total, in polypropylene buckets, with four liters of distilled water, and 4 tablespoons of a halide salt. This most recent Pixie was fueled with potassium iodide, KI; ACS grade, about 100 grams by weight. Within about 6 hours of starting the bucket this last Friday night, I noticed two things happening of interest, one of which is pretty typical - the "oily" phase. This is an effect I have seen with pretty much all of the hydrolyis experiments, where a thin but discernible "slick" of an oily nature appears on the water surface. I have attributed this in the past to a thin food grade oil residue on the foil surface that leaches out. It soon disappears as the bubbling of hydrolysis typically starts. However, in the case of this latest, the slight oily slick was also accompanied by the appearance of an objective greenish hue to the solution. This is not usual - with none of the other salt variants, NaCl, LiCl, KCl, KBr, MgSO4 did a color change of an obvious sort appear in the solution before or during the hydrolysis. By about T+24 hours, steady fine streams of H2 bubbles were forming, and I saw the pea green hue of the solution began to diminish. I thought it might be valuable to sample a piece of the outer turn of one of the foil rolls before the green phase went away entirely. The foil rolls were beginning to take on a slight smoky colored burnish also. So I snipped a piece of foil, and kept it in a baggie until yesterday, when I was back to the lab. In the meantime, the hydrolysis rate of the bucket has really taken off - more aggressive than KCl or KBr, right up with NaCl. The surprise came then when I put a snip of the "green phase" foil in the SEM. At low mag, I could see what looked like flecks or islands of oxide on the surface. No big deal. However at about 200x... well, I had squid. The surface of the foil appears to be strewn with dendritic forms that look like beer soaked daddy longlegs, or, well, really sick squid. They are not the crisp fractal dendritic beauty of silver-life... these are rather nauseating in form, honestly. The largest of these squid forms seems to be about 200 microns long. They are mostly leg, little body. See the pics, when Keith can get em posted. Now the mystery deepens then when I began to look at these with EDS. I suspected they would be a truly weird form of Al2O3. Wrongo. They seem to be made of aluminum, carbon, oxygen, potassium, and iodine. The carbon is the wild card. I could only think of three sources for carbon... the plastic of the bucket, the possible slight machine oil residue on the foil, or "exotic other". The composition of squiddies is surprisingly homogeneous, though the legs seem to be a bit more Al rich. BTW, a shot of the background foil shows Al of an almost pristine sort. Very little else. Not even oxidized to a noticeable degree. I really don't know what the hell these are. I don't know as they have any use. But dang, I gotta try to grow some more of these, even as disgusting as they are in appearance. I had more than a couple of Matrix milliseconds there. Organo-aluminum iodine eating potassium metabolized layabout nano-life? Somebody lose track of their utility fog? Ideas? Comments? Later, squiddies. n The Holy Grail 'neath ancient Roslin waits. The blade and chalice guarding o'er Her gates. Adorned in the masters' loving art, She lies; She rests at last beneath the starry skies. _______________________________________________ NewCandle mailing list NewCandle at ipdiscover.com http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Thu Feb 5 14:04:52 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:04:52 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Relaxation oscillator for LED laser driver In-Reply-To: <470310B7-6543-4E39-95E9-88F68B50FC6D@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: Hey Horace, What you've drawn is basically Ron's LED driver circuit! At the frequencies Ron is working at, it may be better to view C1 as being in parallel with L1. Also, Ron does capacitive coupling rather than inductive coupling as you show. These construction details don't detract from the fact that Ron has built test circuits that ought to answer any of your questions. The issue of the diodes is unclear to me. In an ideal circuit the capacity of the LEDs in reverse voltage condition would be zero, thus forcing all current through the forward conducting branch. In a real circuit, that capacity might be quite large, and at high enough frequencies would compete with the forward conducting branch for current. Say Ron, have you measured any of the HF properties of LEDs? Such parameters as the junction capacity, and light output vs frequency, would be quite helpful for engineering the circuits you are experimenting with. Last time I checked, I had difficulty finding any of these parameters in the literature. The capacity would be fairly easy to measure. The light output vs frequency would be even easier if you have a photometer that itself is very fast responding. Drive the LED with a fast risetime pulse, and look for unexpected overshoot in the resulting photometer output. BTW Horace, I got that jameco email as well, and got the right answer! Did you? (grin) Frankly, I've given up on them as a supplier, as I've gotten burned buying cheap switch components that were, well, cheap. My fault I suppose for being cheap, but still the parts weren't even usable and I would not myself sell them. Makes me wonder about the quality of many of their other inexpensive components. Back in Oct of last year we here were discussing using avalanche transistors for Ron's circuit. George Holz was the one making the suggestion. I am more of a spark gap guy, but there is a lot to be said for these semiconductor equivalents if you can suffer the lower power handling. K. -----Original Message----- From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Horace Heffner Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:14 PM To: New energy for the new world. Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Relaxation oscillator for LED laser driver On Feb 4, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Dr Stiffler wrote: > Why not just disconnect C1 and leave this connection open, but you > will indeed need D1 & D2. Works well with 80 super white LED's. C1 exists at some value whether shown or not. By pushing up the value of C1 the current duration is pushed up and the frequency dropped, and the peak voltage controlled/limited. The current still sloshes back and forth, but the experiment is more controlled. D1 and D2 might not be needed in the configuration shown depending on the values of L1 and C1. Also, the fact the current path through an array has low resistance takes the reverse voltage load off the opposed array. > > D1 and D2 can be Vishay 1N4148's which are indeed rated at 500mA > forward peak and 300mA If. I don't see the significance of those specific values. I proposed no specific values. > These are the diodes you felt did not exist or at least questioned > my specs; in a comment on vortexx. I don't recall this at all. Do you have a reference? This doesn't sound like me. I doubt that I would question the existence of some kind of diode. In fact, I think I have a supply of 1N4148's on hand somewhere, or something similar with a 1000 PIV rating. > I know of over 100 people that have driven at least 50 SW's this > way. Why close the old loop. To measure the source of apparent brightness effects. Also, it would eliminate energy loss due to capacitive linkage to the environment and thus heating of the environment. > > Buy the way JameCo sells the Vishay 1N4148 and they take CE well > over 350 volts. Strange little guys. > > > -- > ********************************************************************** > ** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > This e-mail and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged > or otherwise protected from disclosure. It is solely intended for the > person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, then > reading, use, disclosure, copying or distribution of all or parts of > this e-mail or associated attachments is strictly prohibited. If you > are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately > by replying to this message and delete this e-mail and any attachments > permanently from your system. > > NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT > All parties under a non-disclosure agreement with Dr. Ronald Stiffler > and/or Stiffler Scientific are hereby notified that the contents in > this e-mail and any attachments hereto are covered under one or more > non-disclosure agreements and restrictions as set forth therein. > ********************************************************************** > ** > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com Please be advised that the content of any correspondence to me, Horace Heffner, is placed into public domain unless otherwise specified by prior written agreement. I can be contacted at: hheffner at mtaonline.net. However, by sending unsolicited information to this address, the sender agrees to place it in public domian and to make it available for immediate posting to public news forums. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ _______________________________________________ NewCandle mailing list NewCandle at ipdiscover.com http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From drstiffler at embarqmail.com Thu Feb 5 14:53:56 2009 From: drstiffler at embarqmail.com (Dr Stiffler) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:53:56 -0600 Subject: [NewCandle] Relaxation oscillator for LED laser driver In-Reply-To: <470310B7-6543-4E39-95E9-88F68B50FC6D@mtaonline.net> References: <6638A52E-C7A0-4F7A-B0EA-A2709C498502@mtaonline.net> <4989FD23.7040204@embarqmail.com> <470310B7-6543-4E39-95E9-88F68B50FC6D@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <498B43D4.4030100@embarqmail.com> Horace Heffner wrote: > > On Feb 4, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Dr Stiffler wrote: > > >> Why not just disconnect C1 and leave this connection open, but you >> will indeed need D1 & D2. Works well with 80 super white LED's. > > C1 exists at some value whether shown or not. By pushing up the value > of C1 the current duration is pushed up and the frequency dropped, and > the peak voltage controlled/limited. The current still sloshes back > and forth, but the experiment is more controlled. > > D1 and D2 might not be needed in the configuration shown depending on > the values of L1 and C1. Also, the fact the current path through an > array has low resistance takes the reverse voltage load off the > opposed array. > > >> >> D1 and D2 can be Vishay 1N4148's which are indeed rated at 500mA >> forward peak and 300mA If. > > I don't see the significance of those specific values. I proposed no > specific values. > > >> These are the diodes you felt did not exist or at least questioned my >> specs; in a comment on vortexx. > > I don't recall this at all. Do you have a reference? This doesn't > sound like me. I doubt that I would question the existence of some > kind of diode. In fact, I think I have a supply of 1N4148's on hand > somewhere, or something similar with a 1000 PIV rating. > > >> I know of over 100 people that have driven at least 50 SW's this way. >> Why close the old loop. > > To measure the source of apparent brightness effects. Also, it would > eliminate energy loss due to capacitive linkage to the environment and > thus heating of the environment. > >> >> Buy the way JameCo sells the Vishay 1N4148 and they take CE well over >> 350 volts. Strange little guys. >> >> >> -- >> ************************************************************************ >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> This e-mail and any attachment are confidential and may be privileged >> or otherwise protected from disclosure. It is solely intended for the >> person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, then >> reading, use, disclosure, copying or distribution of all or parts of >> this e-mail or associated attachments is strictly prohibited. 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If you filter out the precipitate and spread it over aluminum foil you get a mold-like hairy mass growing from the boundaries with the foil, within a day or so. This combination is extremely explosive and delicate. Much more delicate than nitroglycerine. A slight flexing of the foil and it goes off. The little tendrils are what make it so sensitive. It's best to make very small quantities! Makes me wonder what a silver foil might do, or some silver salt in the solution. Also, I wonder if K is important or whether NaI works. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From hheffner at mtaonline.net Thu Feb 5 15:26:52 2009 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:26:52 -0900 Subject: [NewCandle] Relaxation oscillator for LED laser driver In-Reply-To: <498B43D4.4030100@embarqmail.com> References: <6638A52E-C7A0-4F7A-B0EA-A2709C498502@mtaonline.net> <4989FD23.7040204@embarqmail.com> <470310B7-6543-4E39-95E9-88F68B50FC6D@mtaonline.net> <498B43D4.4030100@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <35712AD8-7159-4394-BC84-A528295FE4FC@mtaonline.net> If you read my post you will see that I am not questioning the existence of the diodes, only stating I could not find a match to the specs (you gave) in any listing for the 1N4148. They were sold under various part numbers by various vendors. What I actually asked for was an exact part number and vendor - which was not forthcoming as I recall. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ On Feb 5, 2009, at 10:53 AM, Dr Stiffler wrote: > Horace Heffner wrote: >> >> On Feb 4, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Dr Stiffler wrote: >> >> >>> Why not just disconnect C1 and leave this connection open, but >>> you will indeed need D1 & D2. Works well with 80 super white LED's. >> >> C1 exists at some value whether shown or not. By pushing up the >> value of C1 the current duration is pushed up and the frequency >> dropped, and the peak voltage controlled/limited. The current >> still sloshes back and forth, but the experiment is more controlled. >> >> D1 and D2 might not be needed in the configuration shown depending >> on the values of L1 and C1. Also, the fact the current path >> through an array has low resistance takes the reverse voltage load >> off the opposed array. >> >> >>> >>> D1 and D2 can be Vishay 1N4148's which are indeed rated at 500mA >>> forward peak and 300mA If. >> >> I don't see the significance of those specific values. I proposed >> no specific values. >> >> >>> These are the diodes you felt did not exist or at least >>> questioned my specs; in a comment on vortexx. >> >> I don't recall this at all. Do you have a reference? This >> doesn't sound like me. I doubt that I would question the existence >> of some kind of diode. In fact, I think I have a supply of >> 1N4148's on hand somewhere, or something similar with a 1000 PIV >> rating. >> >> >>> I know of over 100 people that have driven at least 50 SW's this >>> way. Why close the old loop. >> >> To measure the source of apparent brightness effects. Also, it >> would eliminate energy loss due to capacitive linkage to the >> environment and thus heating of the environment. >> >>> >>> Buy the way JameCo sells the Vishay 1N4148 and they take CE well >>> over 350 volts. Strange little guys. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ******************************************************************** >>> **** >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> This e-mail and any attachment are confidential and may be >>> privileged >>> or otherwise protected from disclosure. It is solely intended for >>> the >>> person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, then >>> reading, use, disclosure, copying or distribution of all or parts of >>> this e-mail or associated attachments is strictly prohibited. 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5621 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 20:12:58 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:12:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] Invasion of the Nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <183354.83689.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Keith, Thanks for posting das pics. Aluminocalimari. Tomorrow will tell more tales. The hydrolysis bubbling has pretty much diminished to zero, and in the AM, I will pull a foil roll, slice into it laterally, and get some pics and EDS. We will see if the squid forms are now piled deep, or if the surface of the foil is eroded with just the usual dendritic rough crystalline glaze of Al2O3. If the squid forms are gone or dissolved, then it will definitely have to be an experiment I will closely monitor next time, probably with a smaller sample size. n --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Keith Nagel wrote: > From: Keith Nagel > Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Invasion of the Nanosquiddies > To: "New energy for the new world." > Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 1:39 PM > Hey Nick et al, > > Here's a link to the pics of the organo-metallic > squids. > > http://www.kpnconsulting.com/newcandle/download/nick5.htm > > I think you're cheating; if you start in with the > carbon > and the nitrogen then you're end up just making the > ordinary form > of life and we all know about that (grin). > > But seriously, that's pretty remarkable. > > I'll hazard a guess and suggest that the > aluminum/iodine/carbon/potassium compound plates > out at a voltage close to the hydrogen. During > growth I would imagine those legs sticking out into > the electrolyte, waving in the flow as deposition > occurs. You can see "baby squids" in the > background > that have yet to fully grow out. > > As far as prior art, I am not sure, but what you have > is a nice nanowire that may in fact have some industrial > uses. > You might check that literature just to see what's > been accomplished with other materials. Those wires look > long and flexible, > and > clearly they're conductive enough to allow for further > growth at the tip. > > Thanks for sharing the results! Can you grow and separate > the > wires sufficient to form a tangible pile of the stuff? > > K. > From hheffner at mtaonline.net Thu Feb 5 22:42:53 2009 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 18:42:53 -0900 Subject: [NewCandle] Invasion of the Nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: <183354.83689.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <183354.83689.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A99FF0D-23B1-4F15-B933-0978ABEF9931@mtaonline.net> On Feb 5, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Nick Reiter wrote: > > Hi Keith, > > Thanks for posting das pics. Aluminocalimari. Tomorrow will tell > more tales. The hydrolysis bubbling has pretty much diminished to > zero, and in the AM, I will pull a foil roll, slice into it > laterally, and get some pics and EDS. We will see if the squid > forms are now piled deep, or if the surface of the foil is eroded > with just the usual dendritic rough crystalline glaze of Al2O3. > > If the squid forms are gone or dissolved, then it will definitely > have to be an experiment I will closely monitor next time, probably > with a smaller sample size. > > n Too bad you are not closer to the ocean. Sea water may be a natural and cheap habitat for the little guys. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 08:21:48 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 05:21:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] Invasion of the Nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: <7A99FF0D-23B1-4F15-B933-0978ABEF9931@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <935564.29705.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Good morning Horace and all, Fancy you should bring that up! My youngest son is on a road tour with his band, and they have been heading across the Gulf Coast to Florida. The other day, before I saw the squid, I had the notion that sea water might be a good obvious "natural recipe" salt brine to use for a hydrolysis rate data point, so I called him and asked him to take a clean gallon jug and get me some sea water, which he did. WHo knows what might turn up! n > From: Horace Heffner > Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Invasion of the Nanosquiddies > To: "New energy for the new world." > Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 10:42 PM > On Feb 5, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Nick Reiter wrote: > > > > > Hi Keith, > > > > Thanks for posting das pics. Aluminocalimari. > Tomorrow will tell more tales. The hydrolysis bubbling has > pretty much diminished to zero, and in the AM, I will pull a > foil roll, slice into it laterally, and get some pics and > EDS. We will see if the squid forms are now piled deep, or > if the surface of the foil is eroded with just the usual > dendritic rough crystalline glaze of Al2O3. > > > > If the squid forms are gone or dissolved, then it will > definitely have to be an experiment I will closely monitor > next time, probably with a smaller sample size. > > > > n > > Too bad you are not closer to the ocean. Sea water may be > a natural and cheap habitat for the little guys. > > Best regards, > > Horace Heffner > http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From drstiffler at embarqmail.com Sat Feb 7 15:42:07 2009 From: drstiffler at embarqmail.com (Dr Stiffler) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:42:07 -0600 Subject: [NewCandle] Wonderful World of RF Message-ID: <498DF21F.4010008@embarqmail.com> Fellows; You may never have seen the lead in to this, but maybe this will be of interest. Good old Tesla, or maybe not. Anyway a kick in the rear and a faith in water may help here. :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u0PZq3nPEU RRS. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 5621 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From hheffner at mtaonline.net Tue Feb 10 21:39:46 2009 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:39:46 -0900 Subject: [NewCandle] Dash squiddies on Pd foil Message-ID: Nick, The photogenic squiddies get around! I just got my I.E. and there thy were! The article by E.H.Lewis,"Traces of Ball Lightnings in Apparatus",Infinite Energy, Volume 14, Issue 83, 2009,p. 16, Figures 20 and 21 show squiddies observed on loaded palladium by Dash. I.E. website is: http://www.infinite-energy.com/ but the article is not available there. On P 16 the article states; "Figures 20 and 21 both show filaments that grew on electrodes used by Dash. [32] According to Dash, Mizuno found similar filaments. In Figure 21, if you look closely, you will see that the particular fiber they analyzed looked different over time. The fibers in Figure 21 are particularly anomalous because they grew and changed long after the experiment was over." "[32] J. Dash, personal email, 2006." Referenced just prior was: "[31] Dash, J, et al. 2004, "Research at Portland State University on the Interaction of Metals with Hydrogen Isotopes," powerpoint demo for ICCF11." The filaments have little nodules and branches on them - definitely like the squiddy photos. Fig. 19 says in barely legible handwriting: "appearance of blob with fibers after 10 hours of electrolysis (Pd foil xxx used as cathode)" Another photo of changed squiddies in Figure 19 has the phrase "6 weeks later". Fig. 21 text says: "Changes in morphology and EDS spectra of features on an electrode used by Dash. These changes occurred during storage at room temperature with no further electrolysis. The EDS spectra may be evidence of the change relative abundance of the two isotopes of silver on the fiber." Wow. Error in reading EDX? I found another paper by Lewis that mentions Dash: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEevidenceofb.pdf On page 2: "Rodionov wrote that they found changes in physical and chemical properties of the underlying layers. Tunnels and holes appeared, along with microscopic structures like films, hollow spheres, cylinders, filaments, and ?sausages? that move around and form even after the experiment is over for weeks [11]. What they wrote about is similar to Dash?s report about electrode anomalies after ?death,? and is suggestive that the state of matter continues for weeks or longer." "11. B. Rodionov and I. Savvatimova , ?Unusual Structures On the Material Surfaces Irradiated By Low Energy Ions and In Other Various Processes,? Proceedings of the ICCF-11, Yokohama, Japan, 2005." Lewis attributes the growths and changes to change in the fundamental nature of metals exposed to miniature ball lightning and/or cold fusion. He references Ben Franklin's observation that lightning causes metals and adjacent insulator materials to merge. He has some pretty amazing tracks of supposed BL on nuclear emulsions and x-ray film, I think courtesy of B. Rodionov and I. Savvatimova. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From hheffner at mtaonline.net Sat Feb 21 01:36:46 2009 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:36:46 -0900 Subject: [NewCandle] Stretching nanosquiddies Message-ID: <6E1BEE65-1B21-4DE5-A92D-C2D67505E558@mtaonline.net> One has to wonder what might happen when nanosquiddies are stretched or otherwise stressed. Silver apparently turns into hollow square tubes: http://www.physorg.com/news154355462.html Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Sat Feb 21 10:13:21 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:13:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] Stretching (and hiding) nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: <6E1BEE65-1B21-4DE5-A92D-C2D67505E558@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <5432.34021.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Good morning, all, Horace, thanks for the articles on squid forms! There are some peculiarities with all of this, obviously, but some seem to have been right under my nose... As I mentioned a week ago or so, when I examined the surfaces of the foil rolls in my KI salt hydrolysis bucket after the bubbling had died off, I found no traces of the squid. Presumably they had been consumed in the maelstrom of hydrolysis reaction. So I decided to set up a mini-version expressly for the purpose of bring together all the ingredients to see if I could grow more. I did some back-calculating on molarity of the KI in the distilled water, etc. In a polypropylene (same plastic as original bucket) 150ml beaker, I added 100 ml of .15M KI in distilled H2O. This represents an exact 1:40 scale model. To this I added a piece of aluminum foil (same brand) of 50cm2 area. However, instead of rolling it into a tight roll or set of mini rolls, I left it as a folded tent shaped piece. A piece of paper towel was placed over the beaker to keep dust out. Now the foil was the only non-scaled variable. In the original hydrolysis buckets, I use three 200ft rolls of foil, each sawed in half, with the cardboard tubes removed. This of course was to provide the many turns of Casimir space where I had originally proposed some alteration of the hydrolysis would occur. So in chemical terms, I had a mini-replication, but in terms of the mass of Al and it's recursive layered form, I did not. Now here's the odd part - it has been almost a week, and the foil has been sitting quietly in its salty beaker, with no sign of green tint formation, darkening of the surface, and the beginning of bubbles. With the large bucket roll version, the green hue began to grow within hours, and had just begun bubbling within about 24 to 36. That was the point I snipped a sample and found the squid. Temperature, lighting, and locale are all the same. So what is the missing X factor? In other news, I finished a run of the 11th recipe bucket, Pixie 11. This was foil roll hydrolysis with cesium chloride as the salt, and 10ml of D2O added as a kicker. Overall in rate and gas evolution, pretty similar to NaCl, however the gas bubbles when ignited with a lighter were muffled and weak, as opposed to the bright loud percussive bang from gas bubbles evolved in the KI bucket. No off colors, no squid found. EDS on foil sections looks interesting though. In some spots on the surface of the inner turns, I have seen what appears to be signal up in the higher keV for Hf, Pt and Ir. In the lower energies, I am also still seeing pretty clearly the presence of Na that by all assaying shouldn't be there. Only repetitive checking of more locations will pprobably disclose with time whether the Hf and Pt metal signals are an artifact. They are quite low on the visible count plot, despite some at% numbers >1%. I would say the Hf looks closer to real at this point. The CsCl bucket did seem to have a lingering heat effect, but as in past buckets, no radiation was detected with the GM counter. Next bucket run coming up will be a replication of the KI squid run. All the best, nr From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Sat Feb 21 14:06:49 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:06:49 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Quick update on my silver displacement experiments Message-ID: Hi All, Just a quick update on my on-going experiments with the silver/aluminum system. I fabricated some electrodes; aluminum rods ground into lozenge shapes, with a hole in the center to allow for support inside a test tube. They were mechanically polished with aluminum oxide sandpaper to a bright finish. The tubes contain .2M silver nitrate solution. This shot shows three tubes, all the same except for the size of the electrodes, after 8 days. http://www.kpnconsulting.com/newcandle/download/k_silver1.jpg The surface area of the electrode determines the reaction rate so you can see roughly what the surfaces looked like at different points in the 8 day timeframe. The black anode area coating eventually begins to break off along with gas being generated. Why this material tends to get stuck to the silver is a puzzle to me, outside of the obvious fact that it is getting stuck on the way to floating to the surface. Yet it seems to "crawl" around to other parts of the electrode? What is this stuff? I assume the gas in H2, but I haven't tested it yet. Clearly the available silver has either been depleted or enough aluminum is in solution to start a competing reaction to the silver displacement. K. From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Sat Feb 21 14:15:08 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:15:08 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Stretching (and hiding) nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: <5432.34021.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey, Nick writes, >Temperature, lighting, and locale are all the same. So what is the missing X factor? Current density, probably. Don't try to scale down these experiments unless you intend on supplying the current externally from a power supply. Then you would be working with an aluminum anode/cathode and can dial in the large current density that your big rolls are achieving on a small piece of metal. You can see what a difference there is from the experiment I just posted. So try a powered version. K. From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Sat Feb 21 14:15:09 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:15:09 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Dash squiddies on Pd foil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Horace, Thanks for the pointer! Can you scan the image in IE for us to see? Such as it is, I'm right now in Dash's backyard, and may well try to pay the guy a visit in the near future. Especially if he can get me some time on the electron microscope. Surely he'd be interested in the silver connection (grin). Not sure what all this has to do with ball lightning though. K. -----Original Message----- From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Horace Heffner Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:40 PM To: New energy for the new world. Subject: [NewCandle] Dash squiddies on Pd foil Nick, The photogenic squiddies get around! I just got my I.E. and there thy were! The article by E.H.Lewis,"Traces of Ball Lightnings in Apparatus",Infinite Energy, Volume 14, Issue 83, 2009,p. 16, Figures 20 and 21 show squiddies observed on loaded palladium by Dash. I.E. website is: http://www.infinite-energy.com/ but the article is not available there. On P 16 the article states; "Figures 20 and 21 both show filaments that grew on electrodes used by Dash. [32] According to Dash, Mizuno found similar filaments. In Figure 21, if you look closely, you will see that the particular fiber they analyzed looked different over time. The fibers in Figure 21 are particularly anomalous because they grew and changed long after the experiment was over." "[32] J. Dash, personal email, 2006." Referenced just prior was: "[31] Dash, J, et al. 2004, "Research at Portland State University on the Interaction of Metals with Hydrogen Isotopes," powerpoint demo for ICCF11." The filaments have little nodules and branches on them - definitely like the squiddy photos. Fig. 19 says in barely legible handwriting: "appearance of blob with fibers after 10 hours of electrolysis (Pd foil xxx used as cathode)" Another photo of changed squiddies in Figure 19 has the phrase "6 weeks later". Fig. 21 text says: "Changes in morphology and EDS spectra of features on an electrode used by Dash. These changes occurred during storage at room temperature with no further electrolysis. The EDS spectra may be evidence of the change relative abundance of the two isotopes of silver on the fiber." Wow. Error in reading EDX? I found another paper by Lewis that mentions Dash: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LewisEevidenceofb.pdf On page 2: "Rodionov wrote that they found changes in physical and chemical properties of the underlying layers. Tunnels and holes appeared, along with microscopic structures like films, hollow spheres, cylinders, filaments, and ?sausages? that move around and form even after the experiment is over for weeks [11]. What they wrote about is similar to Dash?s report about electrode anomalies after ?death,? and is suggestive that the state of matter continues for weeks or longer." "11. B. Rodionov and I. Savvatimova , ?Unusual Structures On the Material Surfaces Irradiated By Low Energy Ions and In Other Various Processes,? Proceedings of the ICCF-11, Yokohama, Japan, 2005." Lewis attributes the growths and changes to change in the fundamental nature of metals exposed to miniature ball lightning and/or cold fusion. He references Ben Franklin's observation that lightning causes metals and adjacent insulator materials to merge. He has some pretty amazing tracks of supposed BL on nuclear emulsions and x-ray film, I think courtesy of B. Rodionov and I. Savvatimova. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ _______________________________________________ NewCandle mailing list NewCandle at ipdiscover.com http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From hheffner at mtaonline.net Sat Feb 21 23:34:07 2009 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:34:07 -0900 Subject: [NewCandle] Dash squiddies on Pd foil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <178AF734-0EE5-4784-ACC4-0796BD2C3C24@mtaonline.net> On Feb 21, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Keith Nagel wrote: > Hey Horace, > > Thanks for the pointer! Can you scan the image in IE for us to see? > Such as it is, I'm right now in Dash's backyard, and may well > try to pay the guy a visit in the near future. Especially if he > can get me some time on the electron microscope. Surely he'd > be interested in the silver connection (grin). > > Not sure what all this has to do with ball lightning though. > > K. This has some of the photos, better quality than I.E. I think: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DashJexcessheat.pdf Here are some not so well scanned: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DashJmicroanaly.pdf Some (unrelated) uranium surface changes: http://www.infim.ro/rrp/2004_56_2/Chicea.pdf The last photo looks like tubes might be forming in the plane of thed U surface. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 10:36:48 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:36:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] Quick update on my silver displacement experiments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <899654.3870.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Keith, Great dendrites, man! tres cool. I wonder if the black material is a reaction product of the silver nitrate with alloy components in the Al. Do you have an assay of the aluminum alloy, or an idea of the grade? Is it the same stock as you sent me a while back? If so, you might be able to pick out a culpret from there - I dont recall 100% but I think there may have been some Fe and Mg going on. Also, you use the term electrode - were you supplying outside current, or is this term covering the electrical currents and potentials presumably arising from the reaction at the surface? n > > Just a quick update on my on-going experiments with the > silver/aluminum > system. I fabricated some electrodes; aluminum rods ground > into lozenge > shapes, with a hole in the center to allow for support > inside a test > tube. They were mechanically polished with aluminum oxide > sandpaper > to a bright finish. The tubes contain .2M silver nitrate > solution. This shot > shows three > tubes, all the same except for the size of the electrodes, > after 8 days. > > http://www.kpnconsulting.com/newcandle/download/k_silver1.jpg > > The surface area of the electrode determines the reaction > rate so > you can see roughly what the surfaces looked like at > different points > in the 8 day timeframe. The black anode area coating > eventually begins to > break off > along with gas being generated. Why this material tends to > get stuck to > the silver is a puzzle to me, outside of the obvious fact > that > it is getting stuck on the way to floating to the surface. > Yet it seems to "crawl" around to other parts of > the electrode? > What is this stuff? I assume the gas in H2, but I > haven't tested it > yet. Clearly the available silver has either been depleted > or > enough aluminum is in solution to start a competing > reaction > to the silver displacement. From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 10:49:02 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:49:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] Stretching (and hiding) nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <412980.10765.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Heyyo, K Hmmmm. I'm chewing on this. Maybe I'm getting a little lost in the terminology and model. What constitutes the cathode and anode in a purely chemical system? All of the six rolls of foil are the same alloy and size, stacked in a plastic bucket, into which I pour a consistent volume of a moderate to weak salt solution. I'm not applying any potentials either externally or galvanically. Again, if we are talking currents evolved from potential gradients at the reaction surfaces, then would this not be a value expressed in uA / micron^2 or some such - in other words a current density from the number of ions present and the working distance at the surface oxide payer? Thats why this is a puzzler for me. Are you saying that the total current or energy present in the bucket plays a role in a distributed way? How does this jibe with other chemical reactions? My perhaps overly simplistic notion is that for a reaction proceeding from a surface inward, the rate of that reaction and the products are determined by chemical energy locally, as well as temperature. n > Nick writes, > >Temperature, lighting, and locale are all the same. So > what is the missing > X factor? > > Current density, probably. Don't try to scale down > these experiments unless > you > intend on supplying the current externally from a power > supply. Then you > would > be working with an aluminum anode/cathode and can dial in > the large current > density > that your big rolls are achieving on a small piece of > metal. You can see > what > a difference there is from the experiment I just posted. From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 11:28:55 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:28:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] Dash squiddies on Pd foil In-Reply-To: <178AF734-0EE5-4784-ACC4-0796BD2C3C24@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <552260.56735.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hey Horace and all, Well, I certainly don't feel like too much of an odd man out now that I've peeked at Dash's work... If I was to list in order the most consistent "hey what are you doing there?" sort of species from over the 11 hydrolysis reactor runs that I have seen, it would be: C, Fe, Si, Na, Ca, F, Mg, S I leave off with the Y and Ag, since that quandry is still on-going, due to the location of the EDS summing peak artifacts. Some species that we have seen more than a couple times, though not consistently across recipes have included B and Ce. I don't see a lot of discussion in Dash's paper regarding detailed at% quant numbers, but the peaks look pretty bold! Thanks again for bringing all of this to the table! n > > > > Thanks for the pointer! Can you scan the image in IE > for us to see? > > Such as it is, I'm right now in Dash's > backyard, and may well > > try to pay the guy a visit in the near future. > Especially if he > > can get me some time on the electron microscope. > Surely he'd > > be interested in the silver connection (grin). > > > > Not sure what all this has to do with ball lightning > though. > > > > K. > > This has some of the photos, better quality than I.E. I > think: > > http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DashJexcessheat.pdf > > Here are some not so well scanned: > > http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DashJmicroanaly.pdf > > Some (unrelated) uranium surface changes: > > http://www.infim.ro/rrp/2004_56_2/Chicea.pdf > > The last photo looks like tubes might be forming in the > plane of thed > U surface. > > Best regards, > > Horace Heffner > http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Sun Feb 22 12:25:42 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:25:42 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Quick update on my silver displacement experiments In-Reply-To: <899654.3870.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Nick, I used 6061-T6 aluminum rod stock, as it was what I had in rod stock form. I'll buy some pure aluminum rod stock soon, what I wanted to test in this experiment was the general electrode shape and reactor design. So perhaps it's magnesium? I can see now that what it happening is that the silver dendritic mass is delaminating from the aluminum. The "creeping" effect is due to the fact that the delaminated edges are peeling back. This is accompanied by some gas bubbles. I assume after a few more weeks the whole mass will delaminate. The meshed aluminum I used didn't delaminate so radically, I wonder if this is a geometric effect or composition? To be clear, all these experiments are self powered. The current density being determined by the surface area of the aluminum and the initial concentration of silver. K. -----Original Message----- From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:37 AM To: New energy for the new world. Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Quick update on my silver displacement experiments Hi Keith, Great dendrites, man! tres cool. I wonder if the black material is a reaction product of the silver nitrate with alloy components in the Al. Do you have an assay of the aluminum alloy, or an idea of the grade? Is it the same stock as you sent me a while back? If so, you might be able to pick out a culpret from there - I dont recall 100% but I think there may have been some Fe and Mg going on. Also, you use the term electrode - were you supplying outside current, or is this term covering the electrical currents and potentials presumably arising from the reaction at the surface? n > > Just a quick update on my on-going experiments with the > silver/aluminum > system. I fabricated some electrodes; aluminum rods ground > into lozenge > shapes, with a hole in the center to allow for support > inside a test > tube. They were mechanically polished with aluminum oxide > sandpaper > to a bright finish. The tubes contain .2M silver nitrate > solution. This shot > shows three > tubes, all the same except for the size of the electrodes, > after 8 days. > > http://www.kpnconsulting.com/newcandle/download/k_silver1.jpg > > The surface area of the electrode determines the reaction > rate so > you can see roughly what the surfaces looked like at > different points > in the 8 day timeframe. The black anode area coating > eventually begins to > break off > along with gas being generated. Why this material tends to > get stuck to > the silver is a puzzle to me, outside of the obvious fact > that > it is getting stuck on the way to floating to the surface. > Yet it seems to "crawl" around to other parts of > the electrode? > What is this stuff? I assume the gas in H2, but I > haven't tested it > yet. Clearly the available silver has either been depleted > or > enough aluminum is in solution to start a competing > reaction > to the silver displacement. _______________________________________________ NewCandle mailing list NewCandle at ipdiscover.com http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Sun Feb 22 13:07:42 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:07:42 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Stretching (and hiding) nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: <412980.10765.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nick writes: >What constitutes the cathode and anode in a purely chemical system? Perhaps there is a term to better describe this; how about canode? In this system the aluminum acts like a cathode at the points of silver deposition and an anode at the points of dissolution. Subsequently there is a real current of electrons flowing between those two points on the aluminum. One could apply a potential externally using two aluminum electrodes rather than generating it internally with one, and achieve the same result. It's not _quite_ the same thing, but for most purposes can be considered so. The main difference being that all the factors you mention come into play so the actual total corrosion current varies over time and temp. This is the nut of your problem with the scaling. Not enough aluminum surface area for the weight of the material. As it is pretty easy to do, why not stick two small hunks of aluminum in your KI solution and juice it with enough current to see the discoloration of the solution, etc. Then perhaps it will be clearer what I am ham handedly driving at. It might help to look at the pic I just posted and consider that the tubes are identical except for the physical surface area of the three canodes. What a difference in the reaction rate! You've gone down by a factor of what, one thousand times? K. From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Sun Feb 22 14:55:56 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 11:55:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] Stretching (and hiding) nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <239426.60232.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Keith, Rusty wheels slowly turn, and squeak, but yes, very good, I am seeing the analogy. Hm. I suppose that there could be some odd current paths then, if one considers that the aluminum foil rolls, in their native state, have hidden surfaces aplenty, where the ingress of electrolyte / salt water is limited in rate. Well, by all means, jazz that foil with a battery I shall. n > Nick writes: > >What constitutes the cathode and anode in a purely > chemical system? > > Perhaps there is a term to better describe this; how about > canode? > In this system the aluminum acts like a cathode at the > points > of silver deposition and an anode at the points of > dissolution. > Subsequently there is a real current of electrons flowing > between those two > points on > the aluminum. One could apply a potential externally using > two > aluminum electrodes rather than generating it internally > with one, and > achieve the same result. It's not _quite_ the same > thing, > but for most purposes can be considered so. The main > difference > being that all the factors you mention come into play so > the > actual total corrosion current varies over time and temp. > This is the nut of your problem with the scaling. Not > enough > aluminum surface area for the weight of the material. > > As it is pretty easy to do, why not stick two small hunks > of aluminum in > your KI > solution and juice it with enough current to see the > discoloration > of the solution, etc. Then perhaps it will be clearer what > I > am ham handedly driving at. It might help to look at the > pic > I just posted and consider that the tubes are identical > except > for the physical surface area of the three canodes. What a > difference > in the reaction rate! You've gone down by a factor of > what, one thousand > times? > > K. > > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From hheffner at mtaonline.net Sun Feb 22 16:07:38 2009 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:07:38 -0900 Subject: [NewCandle] Stretching (and hiding) nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: <239426.60232.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <239426.60232.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97B2ECF2-8575-4A26-B832-CFA075F6E64E@mtaonline.net> On Feb 22, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Nick Reiter wrote: > > Hi Keith, > > Rusty wheels slowly turn, and squeak, but yes, very good, I am > seeing the analogy. Hm. I suppose that there could be some odd > current paths then, if one considers that the aluminum foil rolls, > in their native state, have hidden surfaces aplenty, where the > ingress of electrolyte / salt water is limited in rate. > > Well, by all means, jazz that foil with a battery I shall. > > n I think corrosion is often driven by differing but closely located surface elements creating very short range electrolytic currents via their differing electronegativities. Cathodic protection works if the potential of the eroding material is raised enough to make all the elements on the surface anodic. One interesting thing about this is that the relatively cathodic spots on the surface can take on deposits of similar metal from solution, and, providing the gradient is only sufficiently large at sharp tips, thus can grow dendrites or fibers - all without current being supplied. I think reducing surface potential to the extent a point is not needed to add material, but rather material is deposited at all points, would tend to suppress dendrite formation and produce more club-like protrusions or other geometries, and in the extreme tend to create a fairly uniform covering. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From hheffner at mtaonline.net Sun Feb 22 16:21:37 2009 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:21:37 -0900 Subject: [NewCandle] Stretching (and hiding) nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: <239426.60232.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <239426.60232.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Slight correction. On Feb 22, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Nick Reiter wrote: > > Hi Keith, > > Rusty wheels slowly turn, and squeak, but yes, very good, I am > seeing the analogy. Hm. I suppose that there could be some odd > current paths then, if one considers that the aluminum foil rolls, > in their native state, have hidden surfaces aplenty, where the > ingress of electrolyte / salt water is limited in rate. > > Well, by all means, jazz that foil with a battery I shall. > > n I think corrosion is often driven by differing but closely located surface elements creating very short range electrolytic currents via their differing electronegativities. Cathodic protection works if the potential of the eroding material is raised enough to make all the elements on the surface cathodic. One interesting thing about this is that the relatively cathodic spots on the surface can take on deposits of similar metal from solution, and, providing the gradient is only sufficiently large at sharp tips, thus can grow dendrites or fibers - all without current being supplied. I think reducing surface potential to the extent a point is not needed to add material, but rather material is deposited at all points, would tend to suppress dendrite formation and produce more club-like protrusions or other geometries, and in the extreme tend to create a fairly uniform covering. If this is true then carefully varying electrolysis potential, even across a very small small range, could increase of decrease the rate and type of dendrite formation. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ _______________________________________________ NewCandle mailing list NewCandle at ipdiscover.com http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 13:24:58 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:24:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] Stretching (and hiding) nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <231564.61229.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Keith and all, Tried a kitchen table experiment yesterday with some strips of foil in the KI solution, and applied potential. Total area of both + and - foil tabs was probably about 12 cm2. I applied 4.5 volts from three AA batteries in series, and found that I was drawing a current of about 90mA. I let this run for about 10 minutes. Within 2 or 3 minutes, I began to see a slight yellow-green hue to the water. The cathode was bubbling, the anode seemed to be quiescent. Neither surface appeared to darken, though, despite the pea color of the electrolyte. When I pulled both, and held the anode strip up to light, I found it to be perforated with thousands of pinholes. The cathode was unscathed. I brought both strips with me to the lab and tossed them in the SEM. No squid forms anywhere. The anode pinholes are irregular, typ 10 to 20 microns across, with an eroded looking nature as opposed to impact or EV puncture style. The cathode foil was scattered with some KI crystals but was physically un-altered. Just for giggles, even though no squid were formed, I ran some EDS on both samples. The foil surface of the anode, both near and away from holes seemed to be pretty virgin, no surprises or "pop-up" elements at all. However on the cathode, I found something somewhat interesting.... a repeatable (between .3%at and .8%at) signal for Ni. Interesting. While Fe seems to be part of the "virgin" composition and in many of the pixie reactor runs is seemingly amplified, I have never seen Ni, either as part of the incoming assay or an anomalous product. Nevertheless, lack of squid may just mean the application of current needs to be done at a lower level and for a long time period. Maybe I can calculate from potassium, iodine, and aluminum what manner of potentials would be possible, and then get some idea of what level these "slow" or natural currents would be given surface area. n > As it is pretty easy to do, why not stick two small hunks > of aluminum in > your KI > solution and juice it with enough current to see the > discoloration > of the solution, etc. Then perhaps it will be clearer what > I > am ham handedly driving at. It might help to look at the > pic > I just posted and consider that the tubes are identical > except > for the physical surface area of the three canodes. What a > difference > in the reaction rate! You've gone down by a factor of > what, one thousand > times? > > K. > > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Mon Feb 23 15:03:18 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:03:18 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Silver oxide formation Message-ID: Hi All, Perhaps I can illustrate (some) of Horace's point about corrosion with this experiment. Here's the link. http://www.kpnconsulting.com/Research16.htm The top of the silver is acting as an anode, collecting oxygen and forming silver oxide/hydroxide. Consequently the bottom of the tube is acting like a cathode with the generation of H2 gas. After a bit of this action the silver begins to delaminate from the canode entirely. I'll update the page as this occurs over the next few days. Question: why the large scale gradient across the canode? Is dissolved oxygen from the air driving the reaction? Bigger question: If it breathes, grows hair, and farts, is it alive yet? K. From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Mon Feb 23 19:45:56 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:45:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] Quick update on my silver displacement experiments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <510284.55628.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Had aluminum on the brain tonight, and thought I would look up 6061 to just jog my memory... yup, probably Mg as the most likely secondary, followed by Si, Fe, then Cu. Found this note: ******************************************* The alloy composition of 6061 is: Silicon minimum 0.4%, maximum 0.8% by weight Iron no minimum, maximum 0.7% Copper minimum 0.15%, maximum 0.40% Manganese no minimum, maximum 0.15% Magnesium minimum 0.8%, maximum 1.2% Chromium minimum 0.04%, maximum 0.35% Zinc no minimum, maximum 0.25% Titanium no minimum, maximum 0.15% Other elements no more than 0.05% each, 0.15% total Remainder Aluminium ********************************** n > I used 6061-T6 aluminum rod stock, as it was what I had in > rod stock form. > I'll buy some pure aluminum rod stock soon, what I > wanted to > test in this experiment was the general electrode shape and > reactor design. > So perhaps it's magnesium? From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Tue Feb 24 14:01:14 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:01:14 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Ball lightning compilation Message-ID: I just stumbled across this nice compilation of purported natural ball lightning. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmUClLDb2dE Intriguing stuff. Some of it looks like UAV's, but some of it ( like the ball chain ) looks like actual natural phenomena. K. From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Tue Feb 24 15:39:50 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:39:50 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Stretching (and hiding) nanosquiddies In-Reply-To: <231564.61229.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Nick, That was instructive, thanks. I think it's worth considering that if you have H2 coming from the cathode and corrosion at the anode, you've sort of got a good model of what's happening when you just corrode a single piece of aluminum, yes? Albeit with the important difference that the two "sites" are now spatially distant and no longer driven by the chemical environment. Here's another consideration. Have you added enough aluminum ion into the KI solution? There would have been a substantial amount of Al ion in the solution after corroding the metal, that's different than your scaled down version. Ultimately you need to address the carbon, where is it coming from? Was it the residual oil from the foil? Or, perhaps there were carbon fibers or residue already in the aluminum metal. A quick search on the terms "aluminum corrosion carbon" turned up a bunch of links, like this patent. http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?patentnumber=5494634 Some time back I spent a good deal of time trying to plate aluminum; a waste of time really because it's so hard and not worth the effort when you do succeed. If the squid are being formed by deposition then it's pretty anomalous. If they are already in the aluminum and are being etched free that's a lot easier to explain. If so, you'll have a hard time reproducing the effect with whatever methods you try. I understand that you don't want to waste a lot of KI reproducing the full experiment, but it sounds like that would be the best way to determine if this was a "one off" or whether there is a parameter or two yet unresolved in the reproductions. Additionally, one could try using a carbon cathode, aluminum anode, and see what that does. This would roughly model the condition of carbon fibers being embedded in the aluminum under corrosion. K. -----Original Message----- From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 10:25 AM To: New energy for the new world. Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Stretching (and hiding) nanosquiddies Hi Keith and all, Tried a kitchen table experiment yesterday with some strips of foil in the KI solution, and applied potential. Total area of both + and - foil tabs was probably about 12 cm2. I applied 4.5 volts from three AA batteries in series, and found that I was drawing a current of about 90mA. I let this run for about 10 minutes. Within 2 or 3 minutes, I began to see a slight yellow-green hue to the water. The cathode was bubbling, the anode seemed to be quiescent. Neither surface appeared to darken, though, despite the pea color of the electrolyte. When I pulled both, and held the anode strip up to light, I found it to be perforated with thousands of pinholes. The cathode was unscathed. I brought both strips with me to the lab and tossed them in the SEM. No squid forms anywhere. The anode pinholes are irregular, typ 10 to 20 microns across, with an eroded looking nature as opposed to impact or EV puncture style. The cathode foil was scattered with some KI crystals but was physically un-altered. Just for giggles, even though no squid were formed, I ran some EDS on both samples. The foil surface of the anode, both near and away from holes seemed to be pretty virgin, no surprises or "pop-up" elements at all. However on the cathode, I found something somewhat interesting.... a repeatable (between .3%at and .8%at) signal for Ni. Interesting. While Fe seems to be part of the "virgin" composition and in many of the pixie reactor runs is seemingly amplified, I have never seen Ni, either as part of the incoming assay or an anomalous product. Nevertheless, lack of squid may just mean the application of current needs to be done at a lower level and for a long time period. Maybe I can calculate from potassium, iodine, and aluminum what manner of potentials would be possible, and then get some idea of what level these "slow" or natural currents would be given surface area. n > As it is pretty easy to do, why not stick two small hunks > of aluminum in > your KI > solution and juice it with enough current to see the > discoloration > of the solution, etc. Then perhaps it will be clearer what > I > am ham handedly driving at. It might help to look at the > pic > I just posted and consider that the tubes are identical > except > for the physical surface area of the three canodes. What a > difference > in the reaction rate! You've gone down by a factor of > what, one thousand > times? > > K. > > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com _______________________________________________ NewCandle mailing list NewCandle at ipdiscover.com http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com