From sgrimm at promutations.net  Sat Jan  3 05:19:04 2009
From: sgrimm at promutations.net (Saundra Grimm)
Date: 3 Jan 2009 05:19:04 -0500
Subject: [NewCandle] Happy New Year! Lets make it Motivational Posters
	themed!
Message-ID: <E1LJ3b4-0003d1-PJ@li17-239.members.linode.com>

Happy New Year!

---------------------------------------------------------------
Saundra Grimm
Rofl Motivational Posters - http://www.roflposters.com - archnoma




From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Sat Jan  3 12:03:53 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:03:53 -0800
Subject: [NewCandle] Happy New Year! Lets make it Motivational
	Postersthemed!
In-Reply-To: <E1LJ3b4-0003d1-PJ@li17-239.members.linode.com>
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOCEKADHAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

I'm feeling pretty motivated right now. Let's just blast you
off the list and see where the hole in the fence is that's
letting the rats in. 

K.


From avalonbiker at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 12:26:25 2009
From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 09:26:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewCandle] Happy New Year! Lets make it Motivational
	Postersthemed!
In-Reply-To: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOCEKADHAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
Message-ID: <547114.80300.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Yeah that one grabbed me by surprise.  I myself have
been feeling "PRIME MOTIVATED" as I had been reading
some of the old Schappeller file madness re: entropy
and magnetic fields lol.

n

--- Keith Nagel <NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com> wrote:

> I'm feeling pretty motivated right now. Let's just
> blast you
> off the list and see where the hole in the fence is
> that's
> letting the rats in. 
> 
> K.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 


The Holy Grail 'neath ancient Roslin waits.
The blade and chalice guarding o'er Her gates. 
Adorned in the masters' loving art, She lies;
She rests at last beneath the starry skies.


      


From jonesb9 at pacbell.net  Sat Jan  3 13:11:21 2009
From: jonesb9 at pacbell.net (Jones Beene)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:11:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewCandle] Happy New Year! Lets make it Motivational
	Postersthemed!
Message-ID: <23741.63554.qm@web82708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nick 

 
> I myself have been feeling "PRIME MOTIVATED" as I had been reading
> some of the old Schappeller file madness 


For something equally bizarre but far more likely to be doable- Decker has updated the Ken Shoulders EVO material.

http://www.keelynet.com/evo/index.htm


Methinks Decker's " Motivational Posterstheme" must have something to do with the pdf reader he is promoting. Do we really need another pdf reader? 

It must be some kind of spyware, no? Why else waste your time reinventing the wheel?


From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Sat Jan  3 14:10:26 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:10:26 -0800
Subject: [NewCandle] Happy New Year!
In-Reply-To: <547114.80300.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEKBDHAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Yeah, something you discover when you run one of these
things is that, on average, you get about 10 spam postings
per day. Most just bounce because you need to subscribe
to post. This is the first time someone has had the
temerity to actually subscribe to post a spam. 

I just googled Schappeller, strange stuff indeed. Frankly,
the thought that pops into my mind is the work done by
Jefimenko on ion engines tapping power from the upper
atmosphere. Get it cranking, and the motor will indeed glow.  

Hey, in general, happy newcandle year to one and all.
Let's hope this year is it! It's be a rough previous
year, but I'm all set up again, in much better mental
and physical conditions.

K.

-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:26 AM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Happy New Year! Lets make it
MotivationalPostersthemed!


Yeah that one grabbed me by surprise.  I myself have
been feeling "PRIME MOTIVATED" as I had been reading
some of the old Schappeller file madness re: entropy
and magnetic fields lol.

n

--- Keith Nagel <NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com> wrote:

> I'm feeling pretty motivated right now. Let's just
> blast you
> off the list and see where the hole in the fence is
> that's
> letting the rats in. 
> 
> K.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NewCandle at ipdiscover.com
>
http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com
> 


The Holy Grail 'neath ancient Roslin waits.
The blade and chalice guarding o'er Her gates. 
Adorned in the masters' loving art, She lies;
She rests at last beneath the starry skies.


      

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From hheffner at mtaonline.net  Mon Jan 12 19:28:54 2009
From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:28:54 -0900
Subject: [NewCandle] New high efficiency LED
Message-ID: <C7AFB970-48EE-41BD-89D4-E1F0492E6971@mtaonline.net>


http://www.physorg.com/news151003742.html

http://tinyurl.com/a3d9jz

"The new device achieves a notable reduction in ?efficiency droop,? a  
well-known phenomenon that provokes LEDs to be most efficient when  
receiving low-density currents of electricity, but then to lose  
efficiency as higher density currents of electricity are fed into the  
device. The cause of this droop is not yet fully understood, but  
studies have shown that electron leakage is likely a large part of  
the problem."

Makes me think operating with pulsed DC of short enough duration  
might also avoid the droop.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Tue Jan 13 14:36:22 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:36:22 -0800
Subject: [NewCandle] New high efficiency LED
In-Reply-To: <C7AFB970-48EE-41BD-89D4-E1F0492E6971@mtaonline.net>
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOGENODHAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Thanks, Horace. We were all puzzling over the LED efficiency
question when Ron was promoting his RF LED device. I can't
help but imagine that someone has written the end-of-all study
on the subject, if one were inclined to scour the literature.

Pulsing certainly helps; I have seen this used to extend battery
life as the eye can't discern the fast pulsing from DC and
you can effectively get more light from the LED for a given
power input.

The comment thread at the end of your link made me chuckle;
such trolling at Physorg!

K.

-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Horace Heffner
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 4:29 PM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: [NewCandle] New high efficiency LED



http://www.physorg.com/news151003742.html

http://tinyurl.com/a3d9jz

"The new device achieves a notable reduction in ?efficiency droop,? a
well-known phenomenon that provokes LEDs to be most efficient when
receiving low-density currents of electricity, but then to lose
efficiency as higher density currents of electricity are fed into the
device. The cause of this droop is not yet fully understood, but
studies have shown that electron leakage is likely a large part of
the problem."

Makes me think operating with pulsed DC of short enough duration
might also avoid the droop.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/





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From mcallister at fdscience.org  Wed Jan 14 21:10:01 2009
From: mcallister at fdscience.org (Kyle R. Mcallister)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:10:01 -0500
Subject: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?
In-Reply-To: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEKBDHAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
References: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEKBDHAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
Message-ID: <496E9AF9.5000706@fdscience.org>

Howdy all ye newcandle people.

Been a while since I posted, and I'm sorry. I figure some explanation is 
in order, given the enthusiasm I showed for the Schlicher thing a few 
months back. Nope, haven't forgotten it, I can even see the antenna from 
my chair here.

And plus I just got through cussing them out over on Vortex, and proving 
once again my status as a young curmudgeon. He he he. So I owe youse 
guise a post.

I've had severe medical problems over the past several years, and 
they've gotten a lot worse the last few months. I actually went to the 
doctor yesterday, and he and his nurse had a conniption fit. I guess 
maybe they were justified. Being 5'6" tall (or lack thereof), and 
weighing in at 112 pounds is apparently not good for me. Given that I 
eat like a horse, it isn't making sense either. My blood glucose levels 
were less than 70, and they think I'm anemic. And these spells of 5 min 
to over 3 hours long, every few days, of vertigo, nausea, profuse 
salivation and then intractable fatigue and weakness after they end, is 
not a good thing either. I'm on an anti-vertigo medication now, to try 
and help the major thing, but the rest needs tests...which isn't easy 
given a lack of medical insurance. So, there I am.

But I'm still here. And I've got a few new toys to play with, that 
perhaps I can put to some use for the group. We need new energy sources, 
that is a fact. It's time someone cooked something up, or at least 
tried. So, here's my contribution. Ain't much, but it's what I got.

Two multipliers, putting out somewhere around 70kV apiece, which can be 
varied by controlling input voltage with a poor man's variac (lamp 
dimmer). You can put them together, one being negative, the other 
positive, and get nice 5" long sparks between a pair of steel spheres. 
What can we use them for?

I've been interested in the reports that Thomas Townsend Brown (yes, 
that guy, but this isn't propulsion related) made in effect, electrets, 
that produced an integrated power greater than that used to make them. 
Probably there's a catch, but why not try? Even the great John 
Hutchison, master of camera tricks, has messed around with them. Maybe 
there's a kernel of truth to this. It won't make coal-fired power plants 
go away, but if you can make something that powers a 10W cluster of LEDs 
effectively forever, that's something, right?

If anyone's interested, I have at my disposal, the following things that 
might be useful for doing some heavy-electret experiments:

Paraffin wax (dunno what for, it sucks to use for electrets in my 
experience)
Carnauba wax (on order, gimme a week or so to have it in hand)
Beeswax. (I'd say, none of yo' beeswax, but I'm doing this open source 
and on list, so it is yo' beeswax too.)
White rosin powder, donated by the good people at Monaco Violin.
Ammonium nitrate (Ferroelectric according to CRC)
Litharge (PbO...lead monoxide), Townsend LOVED this stuff. It's pretty 
and red, and /IT KILLS YOU!/ It must be good, then, yeah?
Barium titanate powder. Not a ton of it, but maybe six or eight 
measuring cups' worth.

Got some glycerin too, as this can bind litharge into a cement-like 
concoction. Brown apparently used litharge-glycerin in petrovoltaic 
research. One wonders if the heavy dielectric (litharge in this case) 
can be 'fielded' while the stuff hardens. He also mentions using PZT and 
tungsten carbide, but I don't have either of these, and don't know where 
I could get them.

Any interest? Suggestions?
--Kyle


From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Fri Jan 16 15:02:58 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:02:58 -0800
Subject: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?
In-Reply-To: <496E9AF9.5000706@fdscience.org>
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEPLDHAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Hi Kyle,

How do you intend to extract power from an electret? You can
move it w/ respect to a capacitor, but this is the analog
of an ordinary generator ( pm and coil ) so the result will
be power derived from the mechanical energy.

I did a very little bit of work with electrets; at the time
I was inspired by a nice little column of CL Strongs. I looked
for it in my files this morning, no dice, but fortunately
the 'tubez have luv 4 U.

http://only1egg-productions.org/AltSci/ElectrostaticMotors/Electrets/Electre
t.html

You might try the common plastic polypropylene. Not sure
if the barium titanate will help you, as the stuff does
not melt. Ammonium nitrate is dangerous to work with, it
can be melted but can also explode and in addition produces
nitrous oxide (great fun, but might exacerbate your vertigo).

On a personal note; Buffalo in winter is basically the
American version of Siberia. Have you considered moving
elsewhere? You sound more acclimated to equatorial climates.
Also, do you drink coffee?

K.


-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Kyle R. Mcallister
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:10 PM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?


Howdy all ye newcandle people.

Been a while since I posted, and I'm sorry. I figure some explanation is
in order, given the enthusiasm I showed for the Schlicher thing a few
months back. Nope, haven't forgotten it, I can even see the antenna from
my chair here.

And plus I just got through cussing them out over on Vortex, and proving
once again my status as a young curmudgeon. He he he. So I owe youse
guise a post.

I've had severe medical problems over the past several years, and
they've gotten a lot worse the last few months. I actually went to the
doctor yesterday, and he and his nurse had a conniption fit. I guess
maybe they were justified. Being 5'6" tall (or lack thereof), and
weighing in at 112 pounds is apparently not good for me. Given that I
eat like a horse, it isn't making sense either. My blood glucose levels
were less than 70, and they think I'm anemic. And these spells of 5 min
to over 3 hours long, every few days, of vertigo, nausea, profuse
salivation and then intractable fatigue and weakness after they end, is
not a good thing either. I'm on an anti-vertigo medication now, to try
and help the major thing, but the rest needs tests...which isn't easy
given a lack of medical insurance. So, there I am.

But I'm still here. And I've got a few new toys to play with, that
perhaps I can put to some use for the group. We need new energy sources,
that is a fact. It's time someone cooked something up, or at least
tried. So, here's my contribution. Ain't much, but it's what I got.

Two multipliers, putting out somewhere around 70kV apiece, which can be
varied by controlling input voltage with a poor man's variac (lamp
dimmer). You can put them together, one being negative, the other
positive, and get nice 5" long sparks between a pair of steel spheres.
What can we use them for?

I've been interested in the reports that Thomas Townsend Brown (yes,
that guy, but this isn't propulsion related) made in effect, electrets,
that produced an integrated power greater than that used to make them.
Probably there's a catch, but why not try? Even the great John
Hutchison, master of camera tricks, has messed around with them. Maybe
there's a kernel of truth to this. It won't make coal-fired power plants
go away, but if you can make something that powers a 10W cluster of LEDs
effectively forever, that's something, right?

If anyone's interested, I have at my disposal, the following things that
might be useful for doing some heavy-electret experiments:

Paraffin wax (dunno what for, it sucks to use for electrets in my
experience)
Carnauba wax (on order, gimme a week or so to have it in hand)
Beeswax. (I'd say, none of yo' beeswax, but I'm doing this open source
and on list, so it is yo' beeswax too.)
White rosin powder, donated by the good people at Monaco Violin.
Ammonium nitrate (Ferroelectric according to CRC)
Litharge (PbO...lead monoxide), Townsend LOVED this stuff. It's pretty
and red, and /IT KILLS YOU!/ It must be good, then, yeah?
Barium titanate powder. Not a ton of it, but maybe six or eight
measuring cups' worth.

Got some glycerin too, as this can bind litharge into a cement-like
concoction. Brown apparently used litharge-glycerin in petrovoltaic
research. One wonders if the heavy dielectric (litharge in this case)
can be 'fielded' while the stuff hardens. He also mentions using PZT and
tungsten carbide, but I don't have either of these, and don't know where
I could get them.

Any interest? Suggestions?
--Kyle

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NewCandle mailing list
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From hheffner at mtaonline.net  Fri Jan 16 16:58:29 2009
From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:58:29 -0900
Subject: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?
In-Reply-To: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEPLDHAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
References: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEPLDHAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
Message-ID: <A87DE3A9-B5E8-4885-995B-E741E970DE6F@mtaonline.net>


On Jan 16, 2009, at 11:02 AM, Keith Nagel wrote:
>
> ... do you drink coffee?
>
> K.


A lot of coffee can have some significant effects:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090113203901.htm

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






From mcallister at fdscience.org  Fri Jan 16 17:13:10 2009
From: mcallister at fdscience.org (Kyle R. Mcallister)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:13:10 -0500
Subject: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?
In-Reply-To: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEPLDHAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
References: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEPLDHAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
Message-ID: <49710676.4020004@fdscience.org>

Keith Nagel wrote:
> Hi Kyle,
> 
> How do you intend to extract power from an electret? You can
> move it w/ respect to a capacitor, but this is the analog
> of an ordinary generator ( pm and coil ) so the result will
> be power derived from the mechanical energy.

I don't know. I don't even know if this _is_ an electret. I assume it 
must be, or something similar, but the general gist of Brown's (limited) 
documentation is that some electric current can be extracted. I have no 
idea how or why it works, or even if it does...probably doesn't, but few 
seem to have tried it.

> I did a very little bit of work with electrets; at the time
> I was inspired by a nice little column of CL Strongs. I looked
> for it in my files this morning, no dice, but fortunately
> the 'tubez have luv 4 U.
> 
> http://only1egg-productions.org/AltSci/ElectrostaticMotors/Electrets/Electre
> t.html
> 
> You might try the common plastic polypropylene. Not sure
> if the barium titanate will help you, as the stuff does
> not melt. Ammonium nitrate is dangerous to work with, it
> can be melted but can also explode and in addition produces
> nitrous oxide (great fun, but might exacerbate your vertigo).

I used to make rocket fuel with ammonium nitrate, magnesium dust, and 
HTPB binder. Yes, I am somewhat crazy. But I don't do that any more, 
even though I never got hurt doing it.

As far as I understand, and much of this is guesswork, the active 
ingredient (litharge, ammonium nitrate, tungsten carbide, etcetera) is 
not ever melted. Just bound in something else which melts or hardens, 
while the field is applied. I guess this isn't really an electret, then, 
but some other animal. Like I said, probably it doesn't work, but it 
should be easy to test it.

> On a personal note; Buffalo in winter is basically the
> American version of Siberia. Have you considered moving
> elsewhere? You sound more acclimated to equatorial climates.
> Also, do you drink coffee?
> 

Yeah, the high today was 2F. As far as moving...that's a complicated 
story. Many ties of a personal nature keeping me here, plus I sort of 
ran away from some things back home. I like the warmth better, but high 
temperatures negatively affect me as well.
I drink coffee every few days, I suppose. Not every single day, nor more 
than once per day. Is there a benefit?

--Kyle


From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Sun Jan 18 13:49:44 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:49:44 -0800
Subject: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?
In-Reply-To: <49710676.4020004@fdscience.org>
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEALDIAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Hey Kyle,

Perhaps you could do a little writeup ( or just link ) to
the source material of Browns? I'm familar with his work,
but I've never attempted to replicate any of it. I have
worked with Barium titanate as a dielectric, although
at the time I was stymied by the lack of a good furnace
to fire the material. I have now the room and tools to
make that so, and perhaps I'll do a bit more work with
it as I build some new custom furnaces. On an unrelated
note, I built a test jig to illuminate samples of silver
nitrate for testing dendritic growth. Perhaps by next
week I'll have a writeup. For today, it's the ordinary
type of gardening ( a great pleasure for this erstwhile
NY'er ). As it turns out, I have a green thumb, and the
results of last years garden are still feeding us
( oh those dried tomatos and figs! ).

What you are describing below sounds an awful lot like
what Hutchison is doing with his solid state batteries.
Although most think John is insane; I do think he has
something to contribute and is sincere in his efforts.
Here's a link to the battery, and some of Johns unique
and remarkable madness.

http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/John/

I asked about the coffee because a lot of your symptoms
sound like what I experience from stimulant overdosing.
I used to drink coffee quite a bit; some of my rantier
posts on Vo. were definitely fueled by the same. My body
type is similar to yours ( but I'm taller ) and frankly
we just aren't built for stimulants. There are other things
that work better and are well tolerated, look around.

K.

-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Kyle R. Mcallister
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:13 PM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?


Keith Nagel wrote:
> Hi Kyle,
>
> How do you intend to extract power from an electret? You can
> move it w/ respect to a capacitor, but this is the analog
> of an ordinary generator ( pm and coil ) so the result will
> be power derived from the mechanical energy.

I don't know. I don't even know if this _is_ an electret. I assume it
must be, or something similar, but the general gist of Brown's (limited)
documentation is that some electric current can be extracted. I have no
idea how or why it works, or even if it does...probably doesn't, but few
seem to have tried it.

> I did a very little bit of work with electrets; at the time
> I was inspired by a nice little column of CL Strongs. I looked
> for it in my files this morning, no dice, but fortunately
> the 'tubez have luv 4 U.
>
>
http://only1egg-productions.org/AltSci/ElectrostaticMotors/Electrets/Electre
> t.html
>
> You might try the common plastic polypropylene. Not sure
> if the barium titanate will help you, as the stuff does
> not melt. Ammonium nitrate is dangerous to work with, it
> can be melted but can also explode and in addition produces
> nitrous oxide (great fun, but might exacerbate your vertigo).

I used to make rocket fuel with ammonium nitrate, magnesium dust, and
HTPB binder. Yes, I am somewhat crazy. But I don't do that any more,
even though I never got hurt doing it.

As far as I understand, and much of this is guesswork, the active
ingredient (litharge, ammonium nitrate, tungsten carbide, etcetera) is
not ever melted. Just bound in something else which melts or hardens,
while the field is applied. I guess this isn't really an electret, then,
but some other animal. Like I said, probably it doesn't work, but it
should be easy to test it.

> On a personal note; Buffalo in winter is basically the
> American version of Siberia. Have you considered moving
> elsewhere? You sound more acclimated to equatorial climates.
> Also, do you drink coffee?
>

Yeah, the high today was 2F. As far as moving...that's a complicated
story. Many ties of a personal nature keeping me here, plus I sort of
ran away from some things back home. I like the warmth better, but high
temperatures negatively affect me as well.
I drink coffee every few days, I suppose. Not every single day, nor more
than once per day. Is there a benefit?

--Kyle

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From mcallister at fdscience.org  Fri Jan 23 22:49:05 2009
From: mcallister at fdscience.org (Kyle R. Mcallister)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:49:05 -0500
Subject: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?
In-Reply-To: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEALDIAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
References: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEALDIAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
Message-ID: <497A8FB1.9050906@fdscience.org>

Keith Nagel wrote:
> Hey Kyle,
> 
> Perhaps you could do a little writeup ( or just link ) to
> the source material of Browns? I'm familar with his work,
> but I've never attempted to replicate any of it. 

I'll see if I can find the paper describing it in my files and post it 
for you guys to read.

> What you are describing below sounds an awful lot like
> what Hutchison is doing with his solid state batteries.
> Although most think John is insane; I do think he has
> something to contribute and is sincere in his efforts.
> Here's a link to the battery, and some of Johns unique
> and remarkable madness.

What he's doing is very, very similar to Brown's battery work. His use 
of Rochelle salts, a ferroelectric, is another possible connection, I think.

> I asked about the coffee because a lot of your symptoms
> sound like what I experience from stimulant overdosing.
> I used to drink coffee quite a bit; some of my rantier
> posts on Vo. were definitely fueled by the same. My body
> type is similar to yours ( but I'm taller ) and frankly
> we just aren't built for stimulants. There are other things
> that work better and are well tolerated, look around.

I used to drink coffee every day or so, but don't tend to very often 
these days. I never noticed a correlation between my symptoms and any 
stimulants, including caffeine from other sources. Regardless of my 
diet, the vertigo attacks and all remain. This week has been hell. The 
meclizine my doctor prescribed helps a great deal with the near-constant 
low level vertigo, but doesn't wipe out the bad attacks. It does make 
the nausea go away, however, which is a big step in the right direction 
for me.

--Kyle


From hheffner at mtaonline.net  Sat Jan 24 00:41:44 2009
From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:41:44 -0900
Subject: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?
In-Reply-To: <497A8FB1.9050906@fdscience.org>
References: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEALDIAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
	<497A8FB1.9050906@fdscience.org>
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On Jan 23, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote:


> Regardless of my diet, the vertigo attacks and all remain.

Somehow I missed the fact vertigo is the issue.  By vertigo do you  
mean balance problems and dizziness? If so there may a quick simple  
cure or a fairly easy though somewhat lengthy cure that involves some  
computer feedback training and some exercises you do on your own.

One thing that might provide a useful test is to ride around as a  
passenger in a car and see if that provides relief of the symptoms  
while you are in motion.  That worked for my wife when she had  
dizziness.  She had an inner brain problem that required computerized  
biofeedback training and exercises for 10 weeks, but riding in the  
car provided some momentary relief at times.

If what you have is dizziness then if possible you should go to a  
dizziness (balance) specialist to diagnose the source of the  
problem.  I don't know if you did that.  Sometimes it is an inner ear  
thing, but sometimes it is related to the optic nerves or central  
brain functions.  I think it is important to at least get an expert  
diagnosis because the source of the problem could be life  
threatening, like a cerebral aneurism.

If you are lucky you might just have a form of BPPV (Benign  
Paroxysmal Positional Vertigo) that is treatable with the Epley  
maneuver which can be accomplished in just a matter of minutes by a  
balance specialist.

If you want to avoid seeing a balance specialist you might have some  
success with the Brandt-Daroff Exercises which you can do yourself.   
See:

http://www.tchain.com/otoneurology/disorders/bppv/bppv.html

http://tinyurl.com/cz25

The above is just a starting place. There is lots of info on the  
web.  Here is the association which can point you to a specialist in  
your area:

http://www.vestibular.org/

See the "Find a Health Professional" link.

Sorry I wasn't paying closer attention earlier.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






From avalonbiker at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 10:49:29 2009
From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 07:49:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?
In-Reply-To: <497A8FB1.9050906@fdscience.org>
Message-ID: <82662.15253.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Good morning, Kyle and all,

Sincere apologies for my delay in joining in on this
thread.

Kyle, I wish you the best on your health journey.  I
guess my own was off in some different directions than
yours, but I know how it can be a grand trial and
error empirical endeavor to find nutrition and
lifestyle changes that help what ails ye.

First of all, re: T Townsend Brown materials.

Over the past couple of years, there was a lot of
effort going on behind the scenes.  Apparently Paul
Schatzkin and some other authors made some very deep
contacts with Brown's daughter Linda and other family,
and they began to open up long closed archives.  For a
while, the full bio for Brown was downloadable for
free, and I kick myself that I didn't snag it.  I read
several chapters on-line, and found it incredibly
good.  It cut through the idiocy and mythos, but still
came up with bona fide mysteries Brown's family to
this day can't explain. CIA links, mystery
whisk-off-to-DC projects and consultations.  I recall
reading that of all his projects, the last few were
the ones that gained Brown the sometimes unwanted
attention of shadowy personalities.  Mainly the
petrovoltaics, geo-emissions, and petro-gravity
anomalies.

It looks like the old soteria.com site has been
replaced with a damned fine archive and sleek web
portal:

http://www.qualight.com/portal.htm

The Brown family archives:

http://www.qualight.com/library.htm

If you've not spent some time there, Kyle, please do
so... wonderful stuff, especially for someone like me
who is fascinated by the psychology and historical end
of alt-sci.

Now, regarding litharge.  In about 1999 - 2000 I built
some large (about 5 pound) conical "gravitator" units
with litharge.  As with all of my other >20kV tests,
it ended up being virtually impossible to disentangle
ionic and coulomb force effects from something I could
peg as anomalous.  Somewhere herebouts I have a couple
pounds of litharge I would happily donate if I could
figure out some way to legally send it to you.  Might
be easier to buy some from Alfa Aesar or even United
Nuclear (Bob115 now lives in Michigan, BTW)  As far as
I am concerned, while U-N and the Bob might be a
monitored operation, he sells quality chemicals at
good prices, that are still legal to own.  Plus he can
ship them legally, which with litharge, I don't think
I could (at least not pounds of the stuff).  And hey,
we are all monitored anyway (thumbing his nose to the
4th wall)

all the best,

nr



--- "Kyle R. Mcallister" <mcallister at fdscience.org>
wrote:

> Keith Nagel wrote:
> > Hey Kyle,
> > 
> > Perhaps you could do a little writeup ( or just
> link ) to
> > the source material of Browns? I'm familar with
> his work,
> > but I've never attempted to replicate any of it. 
> 
> I'll see if I can find the paper describing it in my
> files and post it 
> for you guys to read.
> 
> > What you are describing below sounds an awful lot
> like
> > what Hutchison is doing with his solid state
> batteries.
> > Although most think John is insane; I do think he
> has
> > something to contribute and is sincere in his
> efforts.
> > Here's a link to the battery, and some of Johns
> unique
> > and remarkable madness.
> 


The Holy Grail 'neath ancient Roslin waits.
The blade and chalice guarding o'er Her gates. 
Adorned in the masters' loving art, She lies;
She rests at last beneath the starry skies.


      


From avalonbiker at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 11:10:00 2009
From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 08:10:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewCandle] silver and hydrolysis transmutation update
In-Reply-To: <24F77D54-1F15-42CA-9130-A8DE6E8FE11E@mtaonline.net>
Message-ID: <873509.27053.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

On another topic or two.

The little tube with Keith's proposed long term Al-Ag
experiment has now been sitting on a high shelf for
about 2 months.  I peeped at it and took some photos
at about 1 month, and again the other day.  Sooner or
later I will get a pic to Keith for placing in the
archive.  I keep forgetting to get it off my work
computer and send it.

Essentially, two interesting things began to happen. 
One, there was a condensation of silver dendrites. 
The "seed" volume of AgNO3 I added should have
provided about 1mg of Ag and no more.  Now curiously,
it looks like there may be about that much, however
the Ag dendrites are floating about midway up the
tube, suspended at a level I would guess is defined by
density of the solution or temperature.  IOW, the
silver is in a little "cloud", not attached to the Al
sample.  And it just hangs there.

Secondly, there is a slowly growing and shedding
brownish-gray powder or scale on the Al surface.  Its
not dendritic though, as far as I can tell, and not
really silver colored.  At T+2 months, a little pile
of it is at the bottom of the test tube.

When Captain Forgetful sends the pic, y'all can see.

Now with respect to "Pixie" hydrolysis buckets.  Past
month has seen two, Pixie 8 and Pixie 9.  Pixie 8 was
the usual volumes and masses of solution and Al foil
rolls, in a brine of epsom salt (MgSO4)  Sam and I
wanted to try that, in light of the peculiar but
published work by Lakshmanan re: energy release via
cavitation in an epsom salt solution.  Pixie 9 was
hydrolysis with brine of KBr, instead of KCl.

MgSO4 really was a bit of a dog.  Very little
hydrolysis and gas evolution, maybe .5 liter or so
used from the bucket.  EDS on foil turn samples really
was pretty bland also, not much in the way of
post-reaction anomalies.  Some curious appearance of
fractional % (in EDS terms debatable) Na.

The KBr run was a little more vigorous in bubbling,
but again, in post analysis with EDS, meh.  Some Cl
showed up surprisingly, and seemed to be a real signal
of about 1%at but I know I had one event where the
towel covering the bucket fell in, and there may have
been something salty on that, who knows.  And maybe
KBr has a natural amount of KCl in it as well.  Still
looking at that.

Upcoming, is at least one bucket run using CsCl as the
hydrolysis salt.  Getting exotic there, but Sam and I
wanted to explore that column for transmutation
potential (Li-Na-K-Cs).

Simply in terms of vigor and efficiency of hydrolysis,
NaCl seems to be king.  LiCl was a dog, and KCl
diminished a bit.

Best,

nr

The Holy Grail 'neath ancient Roslin waits.
The blade and chalice guarding o'er Her gates. 
Adorned in the masters' loving art, She lies;
She rests at last beneath the starry skies.


      


From mcallister at fdscience.org  Sat Jan 24 14:57:01 2009
From: mcallister at fdscience.org (Kyle R. Mcallister)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:57:01 -0500
Subject: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?
In-Reply-To: <24F77D54-1F15-42CA-9130-A8DE6E8FE11E@mtaonline.net>
References: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEALDIAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>	<497A8FB1.9050906@fdscience.org>
	<24F77D54-1F15-42CA-9130-A8DE6E8FE11E@mtaonline.net>
Message-ID: <497B728D.7030208@fdscience.org>

Horace Heffner wrote:
> 
> On Jan 23, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Kyle R. Mcallister wrote:
> If what you have is dizziness then if possible you should go to a 
> dizziness (balance) specialist to diagnose the source of the problem.  I 
> don't know if you did that.  Sometimes it is an inner ear thing, but 
> sometimes it is related to the optic nerves or central brain functions.  
> I think it is important to at least get an expert diagnosis because the 
> source of the problem could be life threatening, like a cerebral aneurism.

I'm going back for a series of rather involved tests in a few weeks. 
Unfortunately, there is a lead time in getting health insurance, and 
when it actually goes into effect, so I have to tough it out for a while 
yet. I have for years, so a few weeks I can deal with. Luckily, the 
sizeable cost of insurance is offset somewhat by a raise I received at 
work this week.

A few tests my doctor did perform indicate there is a problem of some 
kind with my right inner ear. Which is the one which experiences sort of 
low-frequency tinnitus at times, sometimes when the vertigo is on the 
way. These symptoms, at least, are consistent with Meniere's syndrome. 
But there are many more tests to be done to be certain.

Thanks for the helpful and kind comments, Horace. That at least makes me 
feel a bit better in itself.

--Kyle


From mcallister at fdscience.org  Sat Jan 24 15:18:01 2009
From: mcallister at fdscience.org (Kyle R. Mcallister)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 15:18:01 -0500
Subject: [NewCandle] New stuff for new year?
In-Reply-To: <82662.15253.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <82662.15253.qm@web65406.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <497B7779.1080106@fdscience.org>

Nick Reiter wrote:

> It looks like the old soteria.com site has been
> replaced with a damned fine archive and sleek web
> portal:
> 
> http://www.qualight.com/portal.htm
> 
> The Brown family archives:
> 
> http://www.qualight.com/library.htm

Ah, glad for the links. The document I was going to post is there for 
all to read:

http://www.qualight.com/petro/battery.htm

Most of these documents I've read, experimented based on, and so forth. 
Very interesting stuff.

> Now, regarding litharge.  In about 1999 - 2000 I built
> some large (about 5 pound) conical "gravitator" units
> with litharge.  As with all of my other >20kV tests,
> it ended up being virtually impossible to disentangle
> ionic and coulomb force effects from something I could
> peg as anomalous. 

At these kinds of voltages, just containing the charge spray becomes a 
serious task. The highest voltages I've gone up to were around 
250-300kV, bipolar supplies I built myself. Dangerous as well, when the 
possibility exists for a spark to reach out 7+ inches and grab you. I 
have been shocked by the full output of that supply. It wasn't very much 
fun.

The biggest block-style 'gravitators' I used weighed probably 12-15 
pounds. The blocks were made with dielectric powders, either litharge or 
barium titanate, bound in paraffin or beeswax. I did find some strange 
things re: the directionality of the device. It is not always towards 
the positive pole.

Strongest thrusts I ever managed would move a 4"x4"x2" thick block of 
litharge-wax on one end of a four foot long torsion bar made from a pine 
1x2 would turn the thing about 120 degrees around the monofilament line 
holding it to the ceiling.

> Somewhere herebouts I have a couple
> pounds of litharge I would happily donate if I could
> figure out some way to legally send it to you.  Might
> be easier to buy some from Alfa Aesar or even United
> Nuclear (Bob115 now lives in Michigan, BTW)  As far as
> I am concerned, while U-N and the Bob might be a
> monitored operation, he sells quality chemicals at
> good prices, that are still legal to own.  Plus he can
> ship them legally, which with litharge, I don't think
> I could (at least not pounds of the stuff).  And hey,
> we are all monitored anyway (thumbing his nose to the
> 4th wall)

I've got a lot of litharge left, about 30 pounds of it in a bucket. 
Appreciate the offer though. Hmm...United Nuclear. I'll have to look 
online and see what they're all about.

--Kyle


From mcallister at fdscience.org  Wed Jan 28 22:08:54 2009
From: mcallister at fdscience.org (Kyle R. Mcallister)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:08:54 -0500
Subject: [NewCandle] Brown/Hutchison batteries
Message-ID: <49811DC6.6070902@fdscience.org>

Hi all,

Carnauba wax arrived today. So at least that's in the inventory now.

Alright, speculation for a moment. Anyone have any idea what exactly the 
deal is with Hutchison? Is he just a looney, has he got something, or is 
he a looney who has something? Keith, you seem to think he's on to 
something. Any ideas as to what?

Probably no one will know unless this is tried. I've got the power 
supply now, and the necessary ingredients to make C L Strong type 
electrets, and the pseudo-electret Brown cells. Brown seems to have 
liked using carnauba wax as a binder. Unless that's just what he had 
available to him, it seems to tie in some sort of electret-like action 
to the 'battery.'

He used various substances mixed into the wax, either tungsten carbide, 
litharge (lead monoxide), and I've seen mentioned elsewhere, barium 
titanate and lead zirconate tantalate.
Hutchison uses Rochelle salts (no problem if we want to use that, it's 
easily made)

Brown suggests heavy metal oxides or carbides. A recurring thread with 
both, when thinking of barium titanate, Rochelle salts, etc., is that 
these are ferroelectric substances. However, as far as I know, litharge 
and tungsten carbide are not.

In my opinion, a few things are clear:
A. the likelihood of this doing anything revolutionary are very small. 
But this is not expensive to do, and given the possibility (and my own 
curiosity) it is worth investigating in my opinion.
B. Brown's work with petrovoltaics and this 'battery' thing are not well 
enough investigated. Another reason to do so.
C. We won't know for sure unless we try.

I'm gonna go shovel my driveway now, and think about this for a bit.

--Kyle


From avalonbiker at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 29 06:51:05 2009
From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:51:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewCandle] Brown/Hutchison batteries
In-Reply-To: <49811DC6.6070902@fdscience.org>
Message-ID: <307114.10396.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hi Kyle,

I would share Keiths view personally about JHutch.  I
know him only to the extent of having spoken with him
a few times by phone in the late 80s and having been
maybe a little more familiar than most with the era
during which George Hathaway (Geo, you out there?)
worked on the replicatory attempts of the basic
"Hutchison Effect"

In a very small blurb, John is a bit eccentric but
otherwise not moreso than a half dozen other great boy
mad scientists and Tesla-philes I have known.  His
controversy lies more in his mercurial artists'
persona.  This was what made things difficult for
replication attempts in the early days.  While usually
our methodology would be to start with an effect
generated by a number of components going at once and
narrowing it down by taking red herrings away one by
one... John always prefers to just go with the tack of
add more=make new weirder neater different wowzer
things happen!  I like John.  He just runs counter to
what I do by nature as a scientist, both in my day job
and on the side.  OTOH, I do not think he has been the
victim of persecution by shadowy forces as he used to
portray.  But then again, real MIB reaction is usually
for straight people who discover truly strange things
and try to present them classically.

Brown's notions I believe tended to run toward high
atomic mass dielectrics.  Rochelle Salt is
piezoelectric, ferroelectric and chiral, but otherwise
I think its a fairly light molecule, like a tartrate. 
I tried growing some crystals a few years back.  TTB
was more into heavy nuclei AND high K.

Best,

n

--- "Kyle R. Mcallister" <mcallister at fdscience.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Carnauba wax arrived today. So at least that's in
> the inventory now.
> 
> Alright, speculation for a moment. Anyone have any
> idea what exactly the 
> deal is with Hutchison? Is he just a looney, has he
> got something, or is 
> he a looney who has something? Keith, you seem to
> think he's on to 
> something. Any ideas as to what?
> 
> Probably no one will know unless this is tried. I've
> got the power 
> supply now, and the necessary ingredients to make C
> L Strong type 
> electrets, and the pseudo-electret Brown cells.
> Brown seems to have 
> liked using carnauba wax as a binder. Unless that's
> just what he had 
> available to him, it seems to tie in some sort of
> electret-like action 
> to the 'battery.'
> 
> He used various substances mixed into the wax,
> either tungsten carbide, 
> litharge (lead monoxide), and I've seen mentioned
> elsewhere, barium 
> titanate and lead zirconate tantalate.
> Hutchison uses Rochelle salts (no problem if we want
> to use that, it's 
> easily made)
> 
> Brown suggests heavy metal oxides or carbides. A
> recurring thread with 
> both, when thinking of barium titanate, Rochelle
> salts, etc., is that 
> these are ferroelectric substances. However, as far
> as I know, litharge 
> and tungsten carbide are not.
> 
> In my opinion, a few things are clear:
> A. the likelihood of this doing anything
> revolutionary are very small. 
> But this is not expensive to do, and given the
> possibility (and my own 
> curiosity) it is worth investigating in my opinion.
> B. Brown's work with petrovoltaics and this
> 'battery' thing are not well 
> enough investigated. Another reason to do so.
> C. We won't know for sure unless we try.
> 
> I'm gonna go shovel my driveway now, and think about
> this for a bit.
> 
> --Kyle
> 
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The Holy Grail 'neath ancient Roslin waits.
The blade and chalice guarding o'er Her gates. 
Adorned in the masters' loving art, She lies;
She rests at last beneath the starry skies.


      


From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Fri Jan 30 14:32:33 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:32:33 -0800
Subject: [NewCandle] Brown/Hutchison batteries
In-Reply-To: <307114.10396.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOEHADIAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Yes, John's quite a character. I think he's an extreme representative
of an approach to doing science which is shamanic rather than rational.
I am of the opinion that the best researchers are comfortable in both
worlds; the shamanic world is where the real discoveries are made
and the rational world is where they are proven and developed into the
practical
things we can share with others. John exists almost exclusively in
the former domain. Consequently, there is little to say about his
work other than to try some of the things he's tried and see for
yourself.

The only write-up of his levitation work that I know of appeared in issue 9
of
Charles Yosts "Electric Spacecraft Journal" Aug 93. Pictures
and circuit diagrams of some of the apparatus he used are annotated
with hints about their usage.

John's MIB problems these days stem more from the fact that his
neighbors take a dim view of John's freewheeling approach to using
tesla coils, microwave horns, etc in an apartment complex setting.
That and his large gun collection ensure regular visits from the
authorities.

The battery thing of his is relatively new and I am not aware of
any details other than the physical prototypes he builds and sells
and some vague comments he has made. Perhaps someone else here
can point to something more?

I'm still not sure what you (Kyle) are aiming at with the dielectrics
and waxes and whatnot, but perhaps once you get going it will become
clearer to me.

K.



-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:51 AM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Brown/Hutchison batteries


Hi Kyle,

I would share Keiths view personally about JHutch.  I
know him only to the extent of having spoken with him
a few times by phone in the late 80s and having been
maybe a little more familiar than most with the era
during which George Hathaway (Geo, you out there?)
worked on the replicatory attempts of the basic
"Hutchison Effect"

In a very small blurb, John is a bit eccentric but
otherwise not moreso than a half dozen other great boy
mad scientists and Tesla-philes I have known.  His
controversy lies more in his mercurial artists'
persona.  This was what made things difficult for
replication attempts in the early days.  While usually
our methodology would be to start with an effect
generated by a number of components going at once and
narrowing it down by taking red herrings away one by
one... John always prefers to just go with the tack of
add more=make new weirder neater different wowzer
things happen!  I like John.  He just runs counter to
what I do by nature as a scientist, both in my day job
and on the side.  OTOH, I do not think he has been the
victim of persecution by shadowy forces as he used to
portray.  But then again, real MIB reaction is usually
for straight people who discover truly strange things
and try to present them classically.

Brown's notions I believe tended to run toward high
atomic mass dielectrics.  Rochelle Salt is
piezoelectric, ferroelectric and chiral, but otherwise
I think its a fairly light molecule, like a tartrate.
I tried growing some crystals a few years back.  TTB
was more into heavy nuclei AND high K.

Best,

n

--- "Kyle R. Mcallister" <mcallister at fdscience.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Carnauba wax arrived today. So at least that's in
> the inventory now.
>
> Alright, speculation for a moment. Anyone have any
> idea what exactly the
> deal is with Hutchison? Is he just a looney, has he
> got something, or is
> he a looney who has something? Keith, you seem to
> think he's on to
> something. Any ideas as to what?
>
> Probably no one will know unless this is tried. I've
> got the power
> supply now, and the necessary ingredients to make C
> L Strong type
> electrets, and the pseudo-electret Brown cells.
> Brown seems to have
> liked using carnauba wax as a binder. Unless that's
> just what he had
> available to him, it seems to tie in some sort of
> electret-like action
> to the 'battery.'
>
> He used various substances mixed into the wax,
> either tungsten carbide,
> litharge (lead monoxide), and I've seen mentioned
> elsewhere, barium
> titanate and lead zirconate tantalate.
> Hutchison uses Rochelle salts (no problem if we want
> to use that, it's
> easily made)
>
> Brown suggests heavy metal oxides or carbides. A
> recurring thread with
> both, when thinking of barium titanate, Rochelle
> salts, etc., is that
> these are ferroelectric substances. However, as far
> as I know, litharge
> and tungsten carbide are not.
>
> In my opinion, a few things are clear:
> A. the likelihood of this doing anything
> revolutionary are very small.
> But this is not expensive to do, and given the
> possibility (and my own
> curiosity) it is worth investigating in my opinion.
> B. Brown's work with petrovoltaics and this
> 'battery' thing are not well
> enough investigated. Another reason to do so.
> C. We won't know for sure unless we try.
>
> I'm gonna go shovel my driveway now, and think about
> this for a bit.
>
> --Kyle
>
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From mcallister at fdscience.org  Fri Jan 30 18:19:14 2009
From: mcallister at fdscience.org (Kyle R. Mcallister)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 18:19:14 -0500
Subject: [NewCandle] Brown/Hutchison batteries
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Nick, Keith, et al.,

Interesting about Hutchison. I'll go back over the stuff he's done, and 
see what I can find.

Shamanic science. Interesting concept, and not altogether unattractive. 
I too like the best of both worlds approach to things.

Brown did tend to use high mass dielectrics, yes. But what I was getting 
at was the parallel between Hutchison's batteries, and Brown's 
batteries. I do remember reading someplace, or watching a video of 
Hutchison with these devices, where Rochelle salt (potassium sodium 
tartrate) was mentioned as being an ingredient.

The similarity of the two batteries, the fact that Rochelle salt and 
barium titanate are ferroelectric, made me make a sort of mental 
connection between the two. I could be grasping at straws however, but 
I'm having fun and not costing the taxpayers any money. :)

It does help also to cement my image as Wheatfield, NY's certifiable 
Herr Doktor.

Do have Rochelle salt now. Made from McCormick Cream of Tartar and Arm & 
Hammer Super Washing Soda. My wife liked the bubbles effervescing from 
the potassium bitartrate suspension as the sodium carbonate was 
gradually added. Heated the resulting clear fluid until it was thick, 
then let it sit in a warm place. Go to sleep, get up, go to work, come 
home. Crystals!

I will try to do a better write up of what I'm attempting.

--Kyle