From jonesb9 at pacbell.net Tue Jun 2 12:01:43 2009 From: jonesb9 at pacbell.net (Jones Beene) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewCandle] New research on D2 fusion with Marx Generator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <507567.70373.qm@web82702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I followed Winterberg's work for many years. He has been around for a long time with very little recognition from the mainstream. Most of his work was in German Journals like Zeitschrift . I learned to read a little German 25 years ago, just to try to understand early Winterberg. Too bad that stuff is not online. If he had been given adequate funding, he probably would have us in the affordable hot fusion ICF age already, at a fraction of the cost of the new Livermore boondoggle. If you are going to use nuclear, with all of its downside - then it is no more nor less toxic to explode small "bombs" of the stuff than to burn it in a reactor - and it is a heck of a lot safer, since there can be no runaway chain reaction in ICF. And it is potential cheaper, if you have robotics, as we do now - since ICF is a natural breeder of fissile fuel. 100% burnup is possible. Winterberg must be ancient by now. Jones ----- Original Message ---- > From: Keith Nagel > Hi All, > > Just noticed this story, quite interesting but lacking detail. > > http://www.unr.edu/nevadanews/templates/details.aspx?articleid=5045&zoneid=1 > 4 > > A billion volt Marx Generator would not be something one could construct > in the garage, but arguably somewhat easier than the lasers typically > considered for fusion work. > > The talk in question is listed here. > > http://eis.jpl.nasa.gov/sec353/aspw2008/Schedule.html > > "Pure Nuclear Fusion Bomb Propulsion," F. Winterberg (U. of Nevada, Reno) > > and the published paper is here. > > http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0803/0803.3636.pdf > > Yet no mention of the Marx generator idea is contained therein. ??? > > K. > > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Tue Jun 23 16:41:20 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewCandle] Salt water aluminum roll hydrolysis update Message-ID: <247353.65326.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello, all, Been a couple of moons since I posted any updates on this project. Amidst much else in life, I have continued to play with it, albeit at a snails pace. A few more variations of salt -alumimum roll hydrolysis, and a bit more knowledge about the "squid" and anemonie forms I had examined over the winter and spring past. One aspect I have been clarifying is the electrodynamics of the foil roll bucket systems. Quite some time back, Keith had proposed the idea that the action of hydrolysis in the roll bucket had to imply anodic and cathodic regions existed. I had concurred and still do - when I had tried simple sheets or rods of the same Al alloy in the aqueous salt solutions, hydrolysis would not kick in or begin. In late May, I discovered where the potential gradient seems to lie. Despite the low resistance of a foil roll from inner turn to outer turn, I was finding a consistent potential of about .1 to .15 millivolts, with the inner turn always being negative. This potential difference was measured on peeled back foil tabs allowed to stick up above the liquid level on selected rolls. It would start to appear right around the time the foil surfaces would begin to discolor, presumably as a result of alloying. Why it should develop thus, I do not know. I wondered if perhaps the alloying of K or Na with the Al was producing a rolled up one layer galvanic pair. Or that the thin oxide layer forming on the aluminum would begin to insulate and isolate turn from turn, turning each roll into a helical ribbon inductor in series with an electrolytic rectifier! I've kept working with KCl and KI, primarily, though the most recent bucket had a very small amount of potassium chromate added to the KCl, to toss another non-alkali metal into the mix. This particular bucket, "Pixie 16" bubbled for a few days to a low degree, but never began to really consume or alter the Al surfaces. In the search for subtle (hoping for not so subtle) "new element" transmutation products, I have still seen some very minor borderline signal for Ni, Ir, Na (where there should be none), V, Ti, Gd, Ce. Nothing in the face eureka! wise. But hey... I have found that my tiny growing and blossoming friends the ternary anemonies can indeed form in KCl as well as KI - the halogen is simply substituted. The composition of the fronds or tentacles is often close to stoichiometric aluminum - potassium - halide. The narrower regions of the fronds tend to be richer in Al than the trunk or body of the system. KI does still seem to be preferred for number of anemonies grown - there will be fewer of them in the KCl systems. The period of formation is the same - peak seems to be about 36 to 48 hours in - right about the time of alloying and beginning of the earliest bubble streams. I have some nice shots of the latest crop that I will pass on to Keith soon, for posting. KCl anemonies have thinner "blade of grass" type fronds as opposed to round cross section tentacles. In other news - hey Keith, do you recall the little test tube experiment I had running with aluminum tabs very very slowly dissolving in aluminum nitrate, seeded with a tiny amount of Ag? I have two tubes going, one with distilled water, the other with some deep well water. Once I can find some time to write about this by itself, it will be quite a yarn to spin. I have not cracked them open yet to do EDS, however in both the tubes, the Al tabs are about 80% eroded away (its been what... 8 months? I'll have to see when I posted it originally!) However, the distilled version is forming a mass of whitish aerogel at the bottom of the test tube, as the tab dissolves. The well water version is forming a clearer gelled mass at the bottom. Nothing that looks like dendritic silver, in a gross sense. But hey, maybe I'll look at it with EDS and see that its loaded with platimum group metals or some such. I can dream can't I. In completely different news, I shelled out some $$ and bought a fun fun FUN environmental and paranormal instrument - got me an air ion survey meter from AlphaLabs. I am now the master of my ionic domain, bellowing orders to the kids seal down the house when the cationic winds blow. Seriously, it is some wunnerful exploration to go wandering across the town and land finding pockets of positive and negative air ions, seeing which are "ill winds", and marveling at just how bodacious an ion generator a simple beeswax candle can be! All the best... nr From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Thu Jun 25 12:13:07 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:13:07 -0700 Subject: [NewCandle] Salt water aluminum roll hydrolysis update In-Reply-To: <247353.65326.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick, Thanks for the update. If you have new pics, send them to this email address, rather than the old gis account. I stopped using them when I moved, and frankly I am loathe to ever use an ISP provided email address again because ISPs are unwilling to provide any kind of forwarding when you cancel service. These domains ( especially k at kpnconsulting.com ) will remain for as long as I will remain. By their nature, corrosion processed inply a voltage gradient. Where the cathodic region ends up depends on a lot of things, but mostly geometry of the corroding metal. I would expect regions inside the roll, where corrosion is minimal, to be slightly negative, as you see. The full gradient will be much larger, but difficult to measure as it is on a micro scale rather than the macro scale of your entire roll. For example, edges tend to preferrentially corrode, and thus are more positive. Protected inner areas will then be forced negative. I too have a few tubes of aluminum / silver nitrate going from our last discussion. Mine are slowly producing hydrogen at the bottom of the tube, where there is still a large amount of bulk silver dendrites. There are patches of clean metal on the larger surface area samples, which are no doubt anodic. The smaller surface area sample remains covered with dendrites. A black "rust" has corroded back many of the dendrites. I don't see any gray gell in this experiment, but I have certainly seen it before. I think it's aluminum hydroxide. I have for example seen it in a solution of aluminum nitrate using an aluminum cathode and aluminum anode, with a few volts applied across the two with a DC supply. What I assume has happened is that enough hydrogen has been generated to push the pH of the solution basic ( if those -OHs can't be released as O they've got to do something to the pH, huh? ). The lozenge shape of my current aluminum samples was an attempt to control the macro voltage gradients, and I am gratified that they did do so. The lack of sharp corners prevent anodic hot spots from forming. K. -----Original Message----- From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 1:41 PM To: New energy for the new world. Subject: [NewCandle] Salt water aluminum roll hydrolysis update Hello, all, Been a couple of moons since I posted any updates on this project. Amidst much else in life, I have continued to play with it, albeit at a snails pace. A few more variations of salt -alumimum roll hydrolysis, and a bit more knowledge about the "squid" and anemonie forms I had examined over the winter and spring past. One aspect I have been clarifying is the electrodynamics of the foil roll bucket systems. Quite some time back, Keith had proposed the idea that the action of hydrolysis in the roll bucket had to imply anodic and cathodic regions existed. I had concurred and still do - when I had tried simple sheets or rods of the same Al alloy in the aqueous salt solutions, hydrolysis would not kick in or begin. In late May, I discovered where the potential gradient seems to lie. Despite the low resistance of a foil roll from inner turn to outer turn, I was finding a consistent potential of about .1 to .15 millivolts, with the inner turn always being negative. This potential difference was measured on peeled back foil tabs allowed to stick up above the liquid level on selected rolls. It would start to appear right around the time the foil surfaces would begin to discolor, presumably as a result of alloying. Why it should develop thus, I do not know. I wondered if perhaps the alloying of K or Na with the Al was producing a rolled up one layer galvanic pair. Or that the thin oxide layer forming on the aluminum would begin to insulate and isolate turn from turn, turning each roll into a helical ribbon inductor in series with an electrolytic rectifier! I've kept working with KCl and KI, primarily, though the most recent bucket had a very small amount of potassium chromate added to the KCl, to toss another non-alkali metal into the mix. This particular bucket, "Pixie 16" bubbled for a few days to a low degree, but never began to really consume or alter the Al surfaces. In the search for subtle (hoping for not so subtle) "new element" transmutation products, I have still seen some very minor borderline signal for Ni, Ir, Na (where there should be none), V, Ti, Gd, Ce. Nothing in the face eureka! wise. But hey... I have found that my tiny growing and blossoming friends the ternary anemonies can indeed form in KCl as well as KI - the halogen is simply substituted. The composition of the fronds or tentacles is often close to stoichiometric aluminum - potassium - halide. The narrower regions of the fronds tend to be richer in Al than the trunk or body of the system. KI does still seem to be preferred for number of anemonies grown - there will be fewer of them in the KCl systems. The period of formation is the same - peak seems to be about 36 to 48 hours in - right about the time of alloying and beginning of the earliest bubble streams. I have some nice shots of the latest crop that I will pass on to Keith soon, for posting. KCl anemonies have thinner "blade of grass" type fronds as opposed to round cross section tentacles. In other news - hey Keith, do you recall the little test tube experiment I had running with aluminum tabs very very slowly dissolving in aluminum nitrate, seeded with a tiny amount of Ag? I have two tubes going, one with distilled water, the other with some deep well water. Once I can find some time to write about this by itself, it will be quite a yarn to spin. I have not cracked them open yet to do EDS, however in both the tubes, the Al tabs are about 80% eroded away (its been what... 8 months? I'll have to see when I posted it originally!) However, the distilled version is forming a mass of whitish aerogel at the bottom of the test tube, as the tab dissolves. The well water version is forming a clearer gelled mass at the bottom. Nothing that looks like dendritic silver, in a gross sense. But hey, maybe I'll look at it with EDS and see that its loaded with platimum group metals or some such. I can dream can't I. In completely different news, I shelled out some $$ and bought a fun fun FUN environmental and paranormal instrument - got me an air ion survey meter from AlphaLabs. I am now the master of my ionic domain, bellowing orders to the kids seal down the house when the cationic winds blow. Seriously, it is some wunnerful exploration to go wandering across the town and land finding pockets of positive and negative air ions, seeing which are "ill winds", and marveling at just how bodacious an ion generator a simple beeswax candle can be! All the best... nr _______________________________________________ NewCandle mailing list NewCandle at ipdiscover.com http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Thu Jun 25 13:02:06 2009 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewCandle] Salt water aluminum roll hydrolysis update Message-ID: <949441.49201.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thanks Keith - I just sent you over some deelightful squidiforms... n > Thanks for the update. > > If you have new pics, send them to this email address, > rather than the > old gis account. I stopped using them when I moved, and > frankly I > am loathe to ever use an ISP provided email address again > because > ISPs are unwilling to provide any kind of forwarding when > you cancel > service. These domains ( especially k at kpnconsulting.com > ) will remain > for as long as I will remain. > > By their nature, corrosion processed inply a voltage > gradient. Where > the cathodic region ends up depends on a lot of things, but > mostly > geometry of the corroding metal. I would expect regions > inside the > roll, where corrosion is minimal, to be slightly negative, > as you > see. The full gradient will be much larger, but difficult > to measure > as it is on a micro scale rather than the macro scale of > your entire > roll. For example, edges tend to preferrentially corrode, > and thus are more > positive. > Protected inner areas will then be forced negative. > > I too have a few tubes of aluminum / silver nitrate going > from > our last discussion. Mine are slowly producing hydrogen at > the bottom of the tube, where there is still a large > amount > of bulk silver dendrites. There are patches of clean metal > on the larger surface area samples, which are no doubt > anodic. > The smaller surface area sample remains covered with > dendrites. > A black "rust" has corroded back many of the dendrites. > > I don't see any gray gell in this experiment, but I have > certainly > seen it before. I think it's aluminum hydroxide. I have > for > example seen it in a solution of aluminum nitrate using an > aluminum cathode and aluminum anode, with a few volts > applied > across the two with a DC supply. What I assume has > happened > is that enough hydrogen has been generated to push the > pH of the solution basic ( if those -OHs can't be released > as > O they've got to do something to the pH, huh? ). > > The lozenge shape of my current aluminum samples was an > attempt > to control the macro voltage gradients, and I am gratified > that > they did do so. The lack of sharp corners prevent anodic > hot spots from forming. > > K. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Fri Jun 26 12:49:06 2009 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:49:06 -0700 Subject: [NewCandle] Silver/aluminum updates Message-ID: Hi All, Nick writes: >However, the distilled version is forming a mass of whitish aerogel >at the bottom of the test tube, as the tab dissolves. >The well water version is forming a clearer gelled mass at the bottom. I took the largest of my aluminum sample tubes apart to measure the pH, and indeed the entire sample was sheathed in a layer of water clear gell. I just couldn't see it yesterday; I had to take the tube apart for it to be apparent. The pH of the remaining liquid solution had raised about .5 units, as expected. I was thinking I could make yield measurements by redissolving the entire contents of the tube in more nitric acid, then measuring the concentration of silver ion. Anyone know of a sensitive way to make that measurement? It would seem a lot easier than trying to weight the resulting silver, given that we're talking about < 1 gram here. I have seen some silver ion electrodes ( somewhat expensive ) and could go that route but perhaps there are other options? K.