From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Fri Mar  6 14:13:10 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 11:13:10 -0800
Subject: [NewCandle] Hydrogen from aluminum
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOKEIHDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Hi All,

I just stumbled across this article about using nanoparticles
of aluminum to generate hydrogen.

http://thefutureofthings.com/news/6541/hydrogen-produced-from-aluminum-and-w
ater.html

I was a bit skeptical of the claim of being able
to regenerate the particles; but still it's an
intriguing methodology that avoids the usual
problem of handling the caustics necessary to
generate H2 from the bulk metal.

Of special interest to us is the discussion of
Lewis acids and bases, and the fact that different
configurations of aluminum atoms can act as either
an anodic or cathodic site.

Here's the researchers homepage

http://research.chem.psu.edu/awcgroup/Castleman%20Homepage.html

I like the 3d periodic table; it's something I've been pushing
for years and now that nanotech is getting serious attention
others seem to be understanding that the old table needs an
additional axis to account for the behavior of clusters of atoms.

K.



From avalonbiker at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  6 15:48:02 2009
From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:48:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewCandle] Hydrogen from aluminum
In-Reply-To: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOKEIHDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
Message-ID: <532843.13234.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


Hey Keith and all,

Yeah, that is some neat stuff!  I notice they avoid the term quantum dot, but then again, maybe they are not quite the same thing.

This is very germane, as I have been making Al-K-I nanosquid again... I have an update as well as some more SEM pics to send... I just need to find a free sane hour or so to put it all together.

As a spoiler, though, the squid are really anemonies... we were just seeing the uprooted beached ones!

Coming soon to a salty ocean floor near you...

n

> From: Keith Nagel <NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com>
> Subject: [NewCandle] Hydrogen from aluminum
> To: "New energy for the new world." <newcandle at ipdiscover.com>
> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 2:13 PM
> Hi All,
> 
> I just stumbled across this article about using
> nanoparticles
> of aluminum to generate hydrogen.
> 
> http://thefutureofthings.com/news/6541/hydrogen-produced-from-aluminum-and-w
> ater.html
> 
> I was a bit skeptical of the claim of being able
> to regenerate the particles; but still it's an
> intriguing methodology that avoids the usual
> problem of handling the caustics necessary to
> generate H2 from the bulk metal.
> 
> Of special interest to us is the discussion of
> Lewis acids and bases, and the fact that different
> configurations of aluminum atoms can act as either
> an anodic or cathodic site.
> 
> Here's the researchers homepage
> 
> http://research.chem.psu.edu/awcgroup/Castleman%20Homepage.html
> 
> I like the 3d periodic table; it's something I've
> been pushing
> for years and now that nanotech is getting serious
> attention
> others seem to be understanding that the old table needs an
> additional axis to account for the behavior of clusters of
> atoms.
> 
> K.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NewCandle mailing list
> NewCandle at ipdiscover.com
> http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com


      


From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Sat Mar  7 14:29:19 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:29:19 -0800
Subject: [NewCandle] Casmir analog computer
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOIEIPDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Hi All,

I know there's some interest in casimir forces here, and
I find arXiv to be a good source of new information
about the subject. Often the articles are heavily
theoretical and not much use to the engineer. On
the other hand, this is right up my crooked alley.

*********************************************
http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.0599

Ingredients of a Casimir analog computer
Abstract: We present the basic ingredients of a
technique to compute quantum Casimir forces at
micrometer scales using antenna measurements at
tabletop, e.g. centimeter, scales, forming a type
of analog computer for the Casimir force. This
technique relies on a correspondence that we
derive between the contour integration of the
Casimir force in the complex frequency plane
and the electromagnetic response of
a physical dissipative medium in a finite,
real frequency bandwidth. 
**********************************************

I was surprised that the paper did not include
a physical instance of the proposed method. So
it's up to the reader to determine if this is
actually viable. 

K.


From avalonbiker at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  7 14:48:03 2009
From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:48:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewCandle] Return of the son of aluminosquid
In-Reply-To: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOKEIHDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
Message-ID: <694032.12100.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


Good afternoon, all,

An overdue update from the world of aluminum and brine...

A little over a week ago, I started a quasi replication of the aluminum foil roll hydrolysis in KI solution version of the pixie bucket reactor that had produced the nanosquid forms about a month previously.  I say quasi replication, because there was one planned deviation in the protocol, which had been intended to keep with the comparative effort of studying the addition of D2O to the hydrolysis runs.  In essence, a duplicate run, but with 10ml of D2O added to the water at the beginning.

At semi-regular intervals, I would reach into the bucket with plastic tongs and snip out a little foil from off of the roll outer turns, to see if the squid forms would return, and when.

The auto-electrolysis of the system apparently begins quickly, because within about 2 hours, the green yellow hue was seen, as it had been the first time.  I sampled foil at 16 hours, 24 hours, 36 hours, 48, 58, and 72 hours.  By 72 hours, the foil was visibly corroding and bubbles were coming on fiercely.

And indeed, squid were found, in an amazing apparent "life cycle".

At T+36 hours, scattered tiny craters are seen on the foil surface, amidst what look like dendritic stains spreading out on the Al surfaces.  No visible build up of oxide is yet seen.  However, at high mag, in some of the dimpled craters, very small (1-5 micron) seeds or straited blobs are seen.  By EDS, these have the composition that appears to be the signature of the squid - a ternary Al-K-I system.  Some of the tiny seeds or proto-squid at this point show the beginning of dendrites in a bundle or cluster.

By 48 hours some scattered fully formed squid were seen, though nowhere near as many of them as in the first test.  However, it wasn't until I examined the 58 hour foil that I finally found an astonishing truth... the squid weren't squid... they were uprooted sea anemonies!

The 58 hour foil showed some wonderful forms, although not many - maybe a few per square cm.

Photos and EDS shots are coming your way, Keith.

The full grown anemonies look like they could grow out to 200 to 300 microns at the tentacle tip.  Large enough that I can see them with an optical microscope.

Now here is another fascinating aspect.  The anemonie / squid are conductive enough that I don't have to gold coat them to get photos... however by the optical microscope, they are glassy clear white - like delicate coral made of glass.

The composition also does not seem to include carbon as a necessity.  It may have been there in some as a feature.  The forms are generally stoichiometric K-I-Al, however near the bases of the anemonies, they are more K-I than Al.

The anemonies also seem to love to grow around larger pinholes.

Doing some EDS shots into the base and stalks of the anemonie forms shows some surprises also... they seem to be concentrators of Fe... and some unexpected species can be seen as well.  Very minor hints of Pd and Ir in one case, but also Ni in very undeniable amounts.  Ni is absolutely not seen in any of the incoming components.

I really can't go a lot further into describing this until photos can be posted.  I don't know what they are any more than I did in the first round where we discovered them.  I can say this though:

1.  Before hydrolysis begins in masse in the KI - Al foil reactor, there is a period of surface alloying and reaction.
2.  It is during this time that small "seeds" or clumps of an Al-I-K compound form and begin to grow in a dendritic, but oddly non-crystalline form.
3.  When fully grown, some of these forms can extend up to 300 microns in length.
4.  The "anemonie-like" forms can become uprooted and when strewn across a surface, look like beached squid.
5.  EDS performed on the forms discloses that there are some surprising lesser elemental components of an unknown origin.
6.  The outer tendrils seem to be Al rich, the lower stalks and bases seem to be Al deficient.
7.  To the eye, with a low powered optical microscope, the forms are glassy clear.
8.  However they do not charge excessively with an electron beam, like a glass or even a salt would.  This suggests to me that they are semi-conductive at least.
9.  By the time full hydrolysis and consumption of Al foil begins, the forms are apparently destroyed.

All the best,

nr



      


From avalonbiker at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  7 14:49:28 2009
From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:49:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewCandle] Casmir analog computer
In-Reply-To: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOIEIPDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
Message-ID: <971570.13158.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


OH now that is cool!

I will put this computer to the test...

n

> From: Keith Nagel <NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com>
> Subject: [NewCandle] Casmir analog computer
> To: "New energy for the new world." <newcandle at ipdiscover.com>
> Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 2:29 PM
> Hi All,
> 
> I know there's some interest in casimir forces here,
> and
> I find arXiv to be a good source of new information
> about the subject. Often the articles are heavily
> theoretical and not much use to the engineer. On
> the other hand, this is right up my crooked alley.
> 
> *********************************************
> http://arxiv.org/abs/0903.0599
> 
> Ingredients of a Casimir analog computer
> Abstract: We present the basic ingredients of a
> technique to compute quantum Casimir forces at
> micrometer scales using antenna measurements at
> tabletop, e.g. centimeter, scales, forming a type
> of analog computer for the Casimir force. This
> technique relies on a correspondence that we
> derive between the contour integration of the
> Casimir force in the complex frequency plane
> and the electromagnetic response of
> a physical dissipative medium in a finite,
> real frequency bandwidth. 
> **********************************************
> 
> I was surprised that the paper did not include
> a physical instance of the proposed method. So
> it's up to the reader to determine if this is
> actually viable. 
> 
> K.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NewCandle mailing list
> NewCandle at ipdiscover.com
> http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com


      


From avalonbiker at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  7 14:58:10 2009
From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 11:58:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewCandle] Return of the son of aluminosquid erratum
In-Reply-To: <694032.12100.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <123704.52512.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


I just sent out SEM and EDS photos to Keith for posting.  As I did so, I saw I had made a typo or labelling error on the photos (and apparently on the EDS screen shots too)

The photos labelled 72 hours are all actually from the foil asample taken at 58 hours.  The squid / anemonies were gone from the 72 hour foil.  My mistake.

n


> The auto-electrolysis of the system apparently begins
> quickly, because within about 2 hours, the green yellow hue
> was seen, as it had been the first time.  I sampled foil at
> 16 hours, 24 hours, 36 hours, 48, 58, and 72 hours.  By 72
> hours, the foil was visibly corroding and bubbles were
> coming on fiercely.
> 
> And indeed, squid were found, in an amazing apparent
> "life cycle".
> 
> At T+36 hours, scattered tiny craters are seen on the foil
> surface, amidst what look like dendritic stains spreading
> out on the Al surfaces.  No visible build up of oxide is yet
> seen.  However, at high mag, in some of the dimpled craters,
> very small (1-5 micron) seeds or straited blobs are seen. 
> By EDS, these have the composition that appears to be the
> signature of the squid - a ternary Al-K-I system.  Some of
> the tiny seeds or proto-squid at this point show the
> beginning of dendrites in a bundle or cluster.
> 
> By 48 hours some scattered fully formed squid were seen,
> though nowhere near as many of them as in the first test. 
> However, it wasn't until I examined the 58 hour foil
> that I finally found an astonishing truth... the squid
> weren't squid... they were uprooted sea anemonies!
> 
> The 58 hour foil showed some wonderful forms, although not
> many - maybe a few per square cm.
> 


      


From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Sun Mar  8 14:55:02 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:55:02 -0700
Subject: [NewCandle] Nicks new squid pics
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOIEJGDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Here's a link to the new pics from Nick.

http://www.kpnconsulting.com/newcandle/download/nick6.htm

Enjoy! These answer many of the questions posed by
the last few experiments.

K.


From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Sun Mar  8 14:57:06 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:57:06 -0700
Subject: [NewCandle] Return of the son of aluminosquid
In-Reply-To: <694032.12100.qm@web65401.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOKEJGDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Hey Nick,

Those last pics really helped me to understand what is going 
on with the squid. 

You write:
>The auto-electrolysis of the system apparently begins quickly,
> because within about 2 hours, the green yellow hue was seen,
> as it had been the first time.

That must be free iodine.

>The anemonies also seem to love to grow around larger pinholes.

That's an anodic site

>The forms are generally stoichiometric K-I-Al, however near
> the bases of the anemonies, they are more K-I than Al.

I think iodine is plating out of the solution at the anodic site.
This must be reacting with the potassium and aluminum to form
an insoluble compound. It looks to be squeezing out of that
anodic hole in the oxide layer like toothpaste out of a tube! 

>Now here is another fascinating aspect.  The anemonie / squid are
> conductive enough that I don't have to gold coat them to get photos...
> however by the optical microscope, they are glassy clear white -
> like delicate coral made of glass.

So what is this mystery compound? If the at % values are correct,
that leads to the ionically impossible AlKI... How confident can
we be in the numbers? 

>By the time full hydrolysis and consumption of Al foil begins,
> the forms are apparently destroyed.

Something must be allowing the compound to become soluble.
Does the pH of the solution change?  Or does it just dissolves slowly
over time?

K.


From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Tue Mar 10 14:32:43 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:32:43 -0700
Subject: [NewCandle] Martin Tajmar update
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOGEKJDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Hi All,

Still catching up on my xxx.lanl.gov reading. I noticed that
Martin Tajmar had published something last June; here's
the abstract.

http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/0806.2271

He seems to be recanting on the earlier claim that the 
superconductor is the active agent in his gravitomagnetism
experiments. From the experiments presented in this paper
he concludes the effect is being caused by the vortex of
rotating liquid helium created by the rotating ring.

Unfortunately, Earthtechs website does not seem to update
with new information about their replication attempt...

http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/tajmar/

Anyone know what's going on there?

K.


From jwinter at cyllene.uwa.edu.au  Tue Mar 10 21:12:19 2009
From: jwinter at cyllene.uwa.edu.au (John Winterflood)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:12:19 +0900
Subject: [NewCandle] Martin Tajmar update
In-Reply-To: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOGEKJDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
References: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOGEKJDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
Message-ID: <49B70FF3.1080701@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>

Hi Keith, All,

Sorry for my lack of involvement, there have been quite a few things I 
would have liked to comment on, but I just don't have enough time these 
days.

Keith wrote:
> Still catching up on my xxx.lanl.gov reading. I noticed that
> Martin Tajmar had published something last June; here's
> the abstract.
>
> http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/0806.2271
>
> He seems to be recanting on the earlier claim that the 
> superconductor is the active agent in his gravitomagnetism
> experiments. From the experiments presented in this paper
> he concludes the effect is being caused by the vortex of
> rotating liquid helium created by the rotating ring.
>
> Unfortunately, Earthtechs website does not seem to update
> with new information about their replication attempt...
>
> http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/tajmar/
>
> Anyone know what's going on there?
>   
Yes I have heard from both Scott and Michael recently very briefly on 
this topic.  I am sure there was nothing confidential in our exchange 
and so I will pass on the gist of it.  They were very interested and 
excited about the experiment at the start but as they delved into it 
they found the data inconsistent and unconvincing.  They seem to have 
mothballed the experiment until Martin (Tajmar) can provide them with 
better data that seems worth the effort of replication.  Michael's dim 
recollection is that the "Tajmar effect" apparently diminished by around 
an order of magnitude with improvements in equipment - and Martin's 
"Predictions" have adjusted to match the reduced signal (again as best 
Michael can remember).  I have copied both Scott and Michael in this 
post so that they may correct me in case I have misrepresented.

John




From mcallister at fdscience.org  Tue Mar 10 22:38:56 2009
From: mcallister at fdscience.org (Kyle R. Mcallister)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:38:56 -0400
Subject: [NewCandle] Morton effect?
Message-ID: <49B72440.4010400@fdscience.org>

Hi all,

I posted this over at The List That Once Was... (Vortex-L), but I figure 
it is relevant here, so if there are any other double subscribers, like 
myself, please excuse my rehashing of this. The following is a collage 
of my posts the past couple days to Vortex regarding this...whatever it 
is (or is not):

Message 1:
Hi,

Okay, as per Horace's suggestion, made a crude
spherical (er...kind of spherical) terminal out of two
mixing bowls. Didn't go to WalMart, as that place
frightens me, so I got them from Kmart. Duct taped
them together at the seams, so as to make a crude
corona seal. It works very well, actually. Fed by the
HV terminal (negative WRT ground in this supply), it
charges up with little leakage. Will jump a 2-3" gap
to a flat metal plate. Sparks are intense, almost pure
white with tinges of blue. Very loud, like a .22cal
firing.

!!! This power supply is not a toy !!!

Power supply is a 6 stage (or 3 depending on how you
look at it) full-wave Cockroft-Walton multiplier.
Input is 10kV 23mA from a 'liberated' oil burner
ignition transformer. Capacitors are .009uF each.
Ground (0V) is to the center tap of the HV winding of
the transformer, common to the center input of the
multiplier stack, common to house ground, common to
the dedicated RF ground I drove into the soil last
summer for radio experiments. This ground has a lot in
common. You might even say it covers a lot of ground.

Sorry.

Anyhow, the first experiment wasn't very great; I ran
into the same problems that Bill Beatty had. The
sparks do not like to hit the same place every time,
and loathe going through the tube. I don't have large
diameter glass tubing, so I used PVC, 3/4" inner
diameter. When I get my bottlecutting hotwire running
again, I'll snip the ends off a glass test tube and
try it. An insulating plate of lexan or something
similar might be good to go over the side of the metal
plate facing the HV sphere terminal. The plate was
connected to ground, had a hole drilled in the center,
diameter of hole 1/4". The tube was glued to the
plate, with the hole dead center facing through the
tube.

In any case, despite the fact that only one lonely
spark ever went through the tube the RIGHT way, I
placed my hands near the thing, in line with the hole,
etc., and felt nothing untoward. The plate does rock
back and forth each time a spark jumps to it, but this
looks pretty conventional to me.

If all goes well, and my health holds up (varies from
day to day) I will try again tomorrow with a lexan
spark shield.

In case anyone's wondering, I can do the same thing
with +HV, I have an identical multiplier supply. But
the suggestion from John Schnurer to Bill B. back in
the day was that only a negative charged sphere works.
Otherwise the supposed anomalous force is reversed and
weak.

Probably this won't amount to anything, but it is
simple, fun, and has a Frankenstein appeal to it, what
with the sparks and all.

Now where'd I put that Edgar Winter CD???

--Kyle

Message 2:

--- "Stephen A. Lawrence" <salaw at pobox.com> wrote:

 > > I'm curious -- why is common grounded?  Seems like a
 > > hand placed too
 > > near it would reward you with holes blown through
 > > the soles of your
 > > shoes as a result, no?
 > >
 > > Wouldn't it be safer to let the hot parts of the rig
 > > float?

A few reasons why common is grounded:

1. The case of the transformer is hardwired internally
(inside the potting mixture) to the transformer's
case. Given the proximity of the 120VAC winding, the
core, and the case-connected centertap of the HV
winding, it is easier on the transformer to have
things not wandering around.
2. Safe? Forgot what that word means.  :)
3. It firmly establishes the sphere as 'definitely
negative' and everything else around it as 'definitely
not so negative'. That might be important.

Hmmm. Now this might be interesting to try. Make the
sphere negative, ground common, and break out the
sister power supply producing +HV. Make the target
plate positive, ground the common of that multiplier.
Double your pleasure, double your fun?

 > > written up.  A link would be appreciated (and I
 > > realize the info is
 > > surely already in the Vortex archives but, well,
 > > another post of a link
 > > would still be appreciated).

http://amasci.com/freenrg/morton1.html
http://amasci.com/freenrg/mort2.txt

You have to wade through some tenuous 'stuff' to get
to what the 'effect' is supposed to be. I'm not
investigating Morton's other claims, just the basic
one. I try to pick up the most interesting bag, and
leave the rest of the matched(?) luggage for another
day.

Same way with the 'amplified capacitor' circuits of
Greg Hodowanec. Leave Mars out of it for now, just try
and see what my 'scope can tell me.

--Kyle

Message 3:
All,

Another update. Didn't get as much done today as I'd
like, as I did end up getting pretty sick.
Nevertheless, here's what I did and what I found.

I took the original 'target' plate, connected to
ground, and shielded it with a 7.75" square sheet of
.125" plexiglass. A 1/2" hole was drilled in the
center of the plexi, with the 1/4" hole in the (4"x4")
steel target plate centering in it. On the plexiglass
side, the 2" length of 3/4" PVC pipe was glued with
industrial hot-melt glue. The open end of the pipe was
propped against the steel HV sphere, the target plate
once again connected to ground.

Sparks now reliably fire through the PVC tube, through
the hole in the plexi, and strike the steel plate. The
flash of the spark is enough to make the PVC pipe glow
brightly, and the edges of the plexi fluoresce.

There *is* a force produced in very narrow beam
extending from the hole in the steel plate. It can be
felt up to about 18" away, and is very narrow, perhaps
only one to three times the diameter of the 1/4" hole
in the steel plate. However; it does NOT pass through
my one hand into the other (as far as I can feel). As
far as I can tell, and there is I admit more testing
required, it is a pulse of air blown out due to the
spark momentarily increasing the pressure within the
tube.

Unresolved issues:
1. If it is overpressure, why isn't it going out the
easier path, between the PVC pipe and the steel
sphere? It is not air tight...there's a decent gap
there that one could stick a screwdriver in. Much
lower air resistance there.
2. How does the air impulse, if that is what it is,
maintain coherence over a distance, in such an
apparently beamlike fashion? Is this like the old
WHAM-O air vortex launchers?
3. Put some smoke in the tube and see what comes out?
Smoke rings? Put smoke around the device as it fires,
an see what way things are moved around?
4. My replication is flawed, I now see. Morton clearly
drew the spark going out of the tube, curling over,
and then striking the plate. The hole in the steel
plate thus should be BIGGER than the hole in the plexi
spark shield. I'll have to try this and see what
happens.
5. Try with the positive supply? If no force from the
hole, then is something else going on?

--Kyle




From hheffner at mtaonline.net  Tue Mar 10 22:41:23 2009
From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:41:23 -0800
Subject: [NewCandle] Nicks new squid pics
In-Reply-To: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOIEJGDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
References: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOIEJGDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
Message-ID: <16A3F781-B5FD-4BD0-AD0F-B6A540CCE91C@mtaonline.net>


On Mar 8, 2009, at 10:55 AM, Keith Nagel wrote:

> Here's a link to the new pics from Nick.
>
> http://www.kpnconsulting.com/newcandle/download/nick6.htm
>
> Enjoy! These answer many of the questions posed by
> the last few experiments.
>
> K.
>

I have been very busy of late and may be offline for an extended  
period. I just want to say that these are most extraordinary photos!   
Great job Nick!

I think the branching effect is interesting, and wonder if that is  
merely due to filiments in the "trunk" splitting off, or whether a  
true branch occurs and is built up, grows, from there.  As Keith  
notes, the big thick short branchless stuff looks like it was  
extruded from a cookie making tip.  However, I have to wonder if  
those are merely mature growths that have broken off, or very young  
versions of the "species".

You may find it of interest that I have some rock that has a large  
percentage of glassy like material within that, under a microscope,  
also looks somewhat like stretched filaments of taffy, but it is  
imbedded in the rock, part of it, and possibly part of a high  
temperature concretion.  I'd be happy to send you a sample if you  
want to take a peak. The rock also has obsidian like material and  
metal flakes, some of them having the appearance of gold.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Wed Mar 11 13:40:33 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:40:33 -0700
Subject: [NewCandle] Martin Tajmar update
In-Reply-To: <49B70FF3.1080701@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOOELBDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Hi John,

Thanks! What you wrote is in line with the paper I linked;
I can understand why Scott would hold off on this until
the primary researcher nails down the effect ( if any ).
It's intriguing that he's seeing the same rotational
anisotropy as the japanese researchers did some years
back... effect noted for clockwise rotation.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE4D7103BF93BA15751C1A96F9
48260

K.


-----Original Message-----
From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of John Winterflood
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:12 PM
To: New energy for the new world.
Cc: Scott Little; Michael Ibison
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Martin Tajmar update


Hi Keith, All,

Sorry for my lack of involvement, there have been quite a few things I
would have liked to comment on, but I just don't have enough time these
days.

Keith wrote:
> Still catching up on my xxx.lanl.gov reading. I noticed that
> Martin Tajmar had published something last June; here's
> the abstract.
>
> http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/0806.2271
>
> He seems to be recanting on the earlier claim that the
> superconductor is the active agent in his gravitomagnetism
> experiments. From the experiments presented in this paper
> he concludes the effect is being caused by the vortex of
> rotating liquid helium created by the rotating ring.
>
> Unfortunately, Earthtechs website does not seem to update
> with new information about their replication attempt...
>
> http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/tajmar/
>
> Anyone know what's going on there?
>
Yes I have heard from both Scott and Michael recently very briefly on
this topic.  I am sure there was nothing confidential in our exchange
and so I will pass on the gist of it.  They were very interested and
excited about the experiment at the start but as they delved into it
they found the data inconsistent and unconvincing.  They seem to have
mothballed the experiment until Martin (Tajmar) can provide them with
better data that seems worth the effort of replication.  Michael's dim
recollection is that the "Tajmar effect" apparently diminished by around
an order of magnitude with improvements in equipment - and Martin's
"Predictions" have adjusted to match the reduced signal (again as best
Michael can remember).  I have copied both Scott and Michael in this
post so that they may correct me in case I have misrepresented.

John



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From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Wed Mar 11 13:40:37 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:40:37 -0700
Subject: [NewCandle] Morton effect?
In-Reply-To: <49B72440.4010400@fdscience.org>
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOAELCDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Hi Kyle,

As you say, the Morton effect is likely due to the gas
expanding in the tube and puffing out the free end.
This setup is very similar to a water arc cannon;
in fact one could arrange the grounded part as a
ring inside the tube and achieve an easier effect.
This explains why the "beam" would not be
affected by a magnet as it's uncharged air molecules.
With a larger storage capacity, one could create
quite a bit of impulse power, but nothing like
what you can get with a propeller (grin).

K.



From avalonbiker at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 11 15:04:51 2009
From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:04:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewCandle] Nicks new squid pics
In-Reply-To: <16A3F781-B5FD-4BD0-AD0F-B6A540CCE91C@mtaonline.net>
Message-ID: <162352.56248.qm@web65410.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


Hi Horace,

Thank you!

I would be happy to take a gander with EDS and SEM at any sample you have.  I would only need a few crumbs of said rock, a gram or two most.

If you ever want to get some out to me, my mailing address is:

412 North Main Street
Gibsonburg, Ohio 43431

All the best,

nr

> I have been very busy of late and may be offline for an
> extended period. I just want to say that these are most
> extraordinary photos!  Great job Nick!
> 
> I think the branching effect is interesting, and wonder if
> that is merely due to filiments in the "trunk"
> splitting off, or whether a true branch occurs and is built
> up, grows, from there.  As Keith notes, the big thick short
> branchless stuff looks like it was extruded from a cookie
> making tip.  However, I have to wonder if those are merely
> mature growths that have broken off, or very young versions
> of the "species".
> 
> You may find it of interest that I have some rock that has
> a large percentage of glassy like material within that,
> under a microscope, also looks somewhat like stretched
> filaments of taffy, but it is imbedded in the rock, part of
> it, and possibly part of a high temperature concretion. 
> I'd be happy to send you a sample if you want to take a
> peak. The rock also has obsidian like material and metal
> flakes, some of them having the appearance of gold.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Horace Heffner
> http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mcallister at fdscience.org  Wed Mar 11 18:23:25 2009
From: mcallister at fdscience.org (Kyle R. Mcallister)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:23:25 -0400
Subject: [NewCandle] Morton effect?
In-Reply-To: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOAELCDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
References: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOAELCDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
Message-ID: <49B839DD.50608@fdscience.org>

Keith Nagel wrote:
> Hi Kyle,
> 
> As you say, the Morton effect is likely due to the gas
> expanding in the tube and puffing out the free end.
> This setup is very similar to a water arc cannon;
> in fact one could arrange the grounded part as a
> ring inside the tube and achieve an easier effect.
> This explains why the "beam" would not be
> affected by a magnet as it's uncharged air molecules.
> With a larger storage capacity, one could create
> quite a bit of impulse power, but nothing like
> what you can get with a propeller (grin).

It feels like air. It cools a wet hand like air. But what is moving the 
air, I dunno.

After I picked my wife up from work, and we got home, she helped me do 
the experiment again. I moved the PVC tube away from the sphere by 3/4". 
So there is now an air gap of approx 2.355 sq-in area at the sphere end 
of the gizmo. The outlet hole where the force is produced from is 1/4" 
dia, giving it an area of .049 sq-in. Clearly, all things being equal, 
the air should take the path of least resistance, and blow out the big 
gap, leaving little or none to make an impulse out of the hole that can 
be felt a foot away. But are all things equal?

Regardless, there was little noticeable reduction in the impulse shot 
from the hole even when this 3/4" gap was introduced between the sphere 
and the PVC tube. Nor was airflow detected coming from the gap. Any 
ideas what might make the air act this way?

Anyhow, as I said, I didn't do it quite right anyways. I need to redo 
the plate construction to make it more like what Morton originally did. 
Then maybe we'll know. I'm still thinking this is something 
conventional, but it's fun to noodle around with.

--Kyle


From ibison at ias-austin.org  Wed Mar 11 15:41:46 2009
From: ibison at ias-austin.org (Michael Ibison)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:41:46 -0500
Subject: [NewCandle] Martin Tajmar update
In-Reply-To: <49B70FF3.1080701@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>
References: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOGEKJDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>
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From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Thu Mar 12 12:31:22 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 09:31:22 -0700
Subject: [NewCandle] Short profile of Richard Hull from the IEEE
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOKELMDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

It's always a pleasure to see the professional orgs
recognize some of the great work being done by
independents. Here's a very short profile of 
Richard Hull, longtime Tesla enthusiast and of
recent the driving force behind the renewed interest
in Philo's Fusor.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/mar09/7895

Seen in the first pic is Richard, along with a
version of his fusor. A beautifully compact machine,
you can see the active plasma in the video monitor to
his immediate left.

K.


From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com  Fri Mar 13 13:05:27 2009
From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:05:27 -0700
Subject: [NewCandle] Martin Tajmar update
In-Reply-To: <49B813FA.6070605@ias-austin.org>
Message-ID: <GCEDLFMCJPKGDEANLEPOAEMFDJAA.NewCandleAdmin@ipdiscover.com>

Hi Michael, et al.

It's fair to say that most of the readers of this list have an abiding
interest
in your results, positive or negative. Of most value would be your practical
experience with the FOG's and accelerometers; what are the cheapest
and most sensitive tools currently available and what sort of artifacts are
the most problematic?

Look, unless the universe is particularly perverse, there ought to be
gravitomagnetic waves. We are currently stuck without the gravitomagnetic
equivalent of a permeable material (such as iron) as we work with in
electromagnetics. While it's nice to imagine it might pop out
of a theory, in all likelihood the discovery will come first and
the theory later. With the right tools, perhaps we can make some
headway here. We have the advantage that the whole of electromagnetics
is available to us by analogy, by application of that analogy we
ought to be able to experiment our way into gravito-magnetics.

Keith Nagel.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Michael Ibison
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:42 PM
  To: John Winterflood
  Cc: New energy for the new world.; Scott Little; George Hathaway
  Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Martin Tajmar update


  Thanks for copying me on this John.

  Yes, unfortunately our website is not up to date. Our interest in the
Tajmar project has indeed been mothballed. If there is sufficient interest
outside of Martin's lab we may try to publish our assessment of his
experiment and results. The decision is largely up to George Hathaway, who
has been leading our efforts.

  - Michael Ibison



  John Winterflood wrote:
    Hi Keith, All,

    Sorry for my lack of involvement, there have been quite a few things I
would have liked to comment on, but I just don't have enough time these
days.

    Keith wrote:

      Still catching up on my xxx.lanl.gov reading. I noticed that
      Martin Tajmar had published something last June; here's
      the abstract.

      http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/0806.2271

      He seems to be recanting on the earlier claim that the superconductor
is the active agent in his gravitomagnetism
      experiments. From the experiments presented in this paper
      he concludes the effect is being caused by the vortex of
      rotating liquid helium created by the rotating ring.

      Unfortunately, Earthtechs website does not seem to update
      with new information about their replication attempt...

      http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/tajmar/

      Anyone know what's going on there?

    Yes I have heard from both Scott and Michael recently very briefly on
this topic.  I am sure there was nothing confidential in our exchange and so
I will pass on the gist of it.  They were very interested and excited about
the experiment at the start but as they delved into it they found the data
inconsistent and unconvincing.  They seem to have mothballed the experiment
until Martin (Tajmar) can provide them with better data that seems worth the
effort of replication.  Michael's dim recollection is that the "Tajmar
effect" apparently diminished by around an order of magnitude with
improvements in equipment - and Martin's "Predictions" have adjusted to
match the reduced signal (again as best Michael can remember).  I have
copied both Scott and Michael in this post so that they may correct me in
case I have misrepresented.

    John






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From mcallister at fdscience.org  Thu Mar 19 20:23:26 2009
From: mcallister at fdscience.org (Kyle R. Mcallister)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:23:26 -0400
Subject: [NewCandle] Vacuum, outgassing, etc.
Message-ID: <49C2E1FE.6000904@fdscience.org>

All,

Anyone here with experience working with vacuum?

Questions:

1. Anything good to seal (semi-permanently, should hold 0.1 torr for at 
least a few months) metal to glass? I am no glassblower, so I'd prefer 
not to go down that route.

2. What metals outgas the LEAST in this moderate vacuum environment?

I am capable of pulling a decent vacuum for making homebrew Crookes 
tubes, and have built quite a few. But I'd like to be able to seal it 
off from the pump, and have it standalone. I did this a short time ago 
(read: 1 hour) and the tube still works. Seal off was made by heating a 
glass tube epoxied to the side of the bottle where a hole was drilled. 
The tube softened and collapsed, at which point I used the flame end to 
narrow the dimple further, so I could snap it off. The tube, so far, 
holds vacuum and makes a nice electron beam.

Are there epoxies or other substances (what did they used back in 
Crookes' time??) to seal a 0.1 torr vacuum in?

The cathode is brass, the anode copper. I seem to remember reading that 
they were bad choices. Oops. What's good to use?

--Kyle


From avalonbiker at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 20 01:21:12 2009
From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:21:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewCandle] Vacuum, outgassing, etc.
In-Reply-To: <49C2E1FE.6000904@fdscience.org>
Message-ID: <339083.18013.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


Hi Kyle,

Quick reply here, since I am on a creaky laptop in former GDR at the moment:)

If you are not up for experimenting with graded glass to metal seals, you could do a couple of things - you could get some ready made lectrode seals at a neon sign shop, or you could use Torr-Seal which is a vacuum epoxy.  You can get that from Kurt J. Lesker Co.  KJL is the Radio Shack of vacuum - a bit pricier than some places but always there in a pinch.  Been using them for 25 years.

Tungsten, stainless steel, brass, aluminum, zirconium, molybdenum - good.  Zinc, cadmium, tin, lead - bad.  Copper is meh.

good luck with your Geisslers and Crookes!

nr
> All,
> 
> Anyone here with experience working with vacuum?
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1. Anything good to seal (semi-permanently, should hold 0.1
> torr for at least a few months) metal to glass? I am no
> glassblower, so I'd prefer not to go down that route.
> 
> 2. What metals outgas the LEAST in this moderate vacuum
> environment?
> 
> I am capable of pulling a decent vacuum for making homebrew
> Crookes tubes, and have built quite a few. But I'd like
> to be able to seal it off from the pump, and have it
> standalone. I did this a short time ago (read: 1 hour) and
> the tube still works. Seal off was made by heating a glass
> tube epoxied to the side of the bottle where a hole was
> drilled. The tube softened and collapsed, at which point I
> used the flame end to narrow the dimple further, so I could
> snap it off. The tube, so far, holds vacuum and makes a nice
> electron beam.
> 
> Are there epoxies or other substances (what did they used
> back in Crookes' time??) to seal a 0.1 torr vacuum in?
> 
> The cathode is brass, the anode copper. I seem to remember
> reading that they were bad choices. Oops. What's good to
> use?
> 
> --Kyle
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NewCandle at ipdiscover.com
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From jwinter at cyllene.uwa.edu.au  Fri Mar 20 03:09:40 2009
From: jwinter at cyllene.uwa.edu.au (John Winterflood)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:09:40 +0900
Subject: [NewCandle] Vacuum, outgassing, etc.
In-Reply-To: <49C2E1FE.6000904@fdscience.org>
References: <49C2E1FE.6000904@fdscience.org>
Message-ID: <49C34134.8050506@cyllene.uwa.edu.au>

Kyle wrote:
> Anyone here with experience working with vacuum?
Not much actual experience, but I've picked up plenty of talk from the 
guys that do.
> 1. Anything good to seal (semi-permanently, should hold 0.1 torr for 
> at least a few months) metal to glass? I am no glassblower, so I'd 
> prefer not to go down that route.
If you really mean 0.1 torr, then that is hardly a vacuum at all.  A 
standard backing pump alone will do a couple of orders of magnitude 
better than that.  I am sure that a simple little nylon ball valve (as 
used in water lines for instance) would be able to seal to that level 
for a reasonable amount of time.
> 2. What metals outgas the LEAST in this moderate vacuum environment?
Metal outgassing should no way be detectable in such a high partial 
atmospheric pressure!

Even for vacuums as good as 10^-6 torr, you can get away with rubber 
o-ring seals.  It is only when you want to get to the 10^-8 to 10^-10 
sort of level that you have to worry about what sort of metal is used.
> I am capable of pulling a decent vacuum for making homebrew Crookes 
> tubes, and have built quite a few. But I'd like to be able to seal it 
> off from the pump, and have it standalone. I did this a short time ago 
> (read: 1 hour) and the tube still works. Seal off was made by heating 
> a glass tube *epoxied*
If you are want to get a good vacuum, you should be rather careful of 
things like plastics and epoxies.  Basically anything that you can smell 
(and I can smell araldite) has got to be pretty bad in a vacuum!  
Plastics are far worse than any sort of metal.  But at the 10^-1 torr 
level, I doubt if anything much matters!
> to the side of the bottle where a hole was drilled. The tube softened 
> and collapsed, at which point I used the flame end to narrow the 
> dimple further, so I could snap it off. The tube, so far, holds vacuum 
> and makes a nice electron beam.
>
> Are there epoxies or other substances (what did they used back in 
> Crookes' time??) to seal a 0.1 torr vacuum in?
>
> The cathode is brass, the anode copper. I seem to remember reading 
> that they were bad choices. Oops. What's good to use?
I believe brass is not so good because it contains zinc - which has a 
"high" vapor pressure.  But "high" being a very relative term - have you 
ever smelt the galvanizing on a hot piece of corrugated iron - I doubt 
it!  In high vacuum applications (high vacuum meaning low pressure) the 
equipment needs to be heated up as hot as possible - often enough to 
blacken the surface of the metal - in order to get as much outgassing as 
possible to happen in a hurry (hours or days).  Under these conditions 
the zinc will actually sublimate to a gas to some extent and this can 
produce problems in some cases.

We have managed to make high vacuum seal-offs which have never (to the 
best of my knowledge) leaked, by finally pumping through a fairly small 
(say 1/4") copper tube and then cutting the tube off with a pair of 
modified bolt cutters.  The bolt cutters are modified by grinding away 
the cutting edges of the jaws and welding or brazing a pair of short 
round rods made of hardened steel in their place.  These rounded jaws 
then squash the the copper tube completely to form a perfect seal, 
eventually cutting right through it so that the end being sucked on 
separates from the piece remaining on the apparatus.  The same tube can 
be cut off a bit shorter to re-open it and the process repeated several 
times until it is too short.  Then a new long piece of copper tube can 
be brazed into its place to start the process again.  Joining the copper 
tube on with a metal olive type of compression fitting also works just 
fine and saves the brazing business.

Nick wrote:
> If you are not up for experimenting with graded glass to metal seals, you could do a couple of things - you could get some ready made lectrode seals at a neon sign shop, or you could use Torr-Seal which is a vacuum epoxy.  You can get that from Kurt J. Lesker Co.  KJL is the Radio Shack of vacuum - a bit pricier than some places but always there in a pinch.  Been using them for 25 years.
>   
Yes Torr-Seal is good stuff, I have seen it used a lot.
> Tungsten, stainless steel, brass, aluminum, zirconium, molybdenum - good.  Zinc, cadmium, tin, lead - bad.  Copper is meh.
>   
Sounds about right for high vacuum, but hardly anything matters at 0.1 torr!

John